Paul J Posted March 9, 2016 Share #501 Posted March 9, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) M is for Mystery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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luigi bertolotti Posted March 9, 2016 Share #502 Posted March 9, 2016 A good post, thanks adli…..I hope you're right. I read somewhere recently the the sales of the SL haven't thrilled Leica so far, ( unlike the high demand for the Q ), so if they do produce an M with an EVF of some kind or other that could very well kill off the production viability of the SL. SL imho is a "long shot".. a critical act of faith towards the establishing of mirrorless system cameras as a main platform for professional usage... I don't think they will abandon it : sales can go on slowly... Street price maybe can be re-tuned... but I think they won't embark in turning the M into a "mainstream" mirrorless Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 9, 2016 Share #503 Posted March 9, 2016 I doubt whether Leica has set a very high sales target for the SL. Both the price and the leisurely system deployment suggest this. It appears to be an investment in the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 9, 2016 Share #504 Posted March 9, 2016 [...] I think they won't embark in turning the M into a "mainstream" mirrorless Indeed, why would they, they have the SL already don't they. What they miss, if any, is a digital CL and an hybrid OVF/EVF with optical rangefinder. Not sure if such hybrid thing would stay as clear and straightforward as current VFs though so instead of the mother of swiss army monsters VFs some of us seem to be expecting here, i'd rather keep the current optical RF with a modern clip-on EVF personnally. Now i was wrong in my expectations about both the T and the SL so don't bet on me folks... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Livingston Posted March 9, 2016 Share #505 Posted March 9, 2016 I'm not going to bet on you LCT, but I would like to see much the same thing... I wouldn't buy one right now (unless I get another unexpected windfall in the autumn...), I'm very happy with my current M240P. It's a mature camera and the best of the Leica digital M for so many reasons... and it should last me for many years yet... but I WOULD like to see a much smaller M... in all dimensions, width as well as depth and height... but still made of brass and still with the same layout as the current M. What I have seen from the SL in terms of image and colour really appeals and a EVF of a similar standard to the SL available as an accessory... but that's about it. If they can reduce the overall size, all round, and get SL quality colour and rendering out of the 24mpx sensor, it should get more customers into the fold. The current M240 is actually a stunning camera and really, I can't fault mine, so I'm actually not too worried about the next iteration... Whatever it is going to be, it will need to be pretty special to tempt existing 240 owners away, so hopefully they will focus elsewhere and it will appeal to new customers rather than to an ageing and declining current customer base... Our turn should come with the next M after that.. if we are still here...! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted March 9, 2016 Share #506 Posted March 9, 2016 Surely an M with an X100-like hybrid viewfinder, which includes an optical rangefinder, is at least technically possible? It seems that that would satisfy most punters here -- and I include myself. Make the EVF as good as the SL, the sensor at least 36 MP, and you can also include me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted March 9, 2016 Share #507 Posted March 9, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) I keep telling myself that, with the SL and M240, I have the best of both worlds, and have no need to get whatever new M comes along. I would not worry at all if it came without a better external (or internal) EVF. I'll sacrifice a quality EVF for the simplicity of the M. But the greater DR and high ISO performance of the SL are difficult to ignore. If, as I assume, the new M at least matches the SL in this regard, it will be hard watching everyone upgrading! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satijntje Posted March 9, 2016 Share #508 Posted March 9, 2016 Make the EVF as good as the SL, the sensor at least 36 MP, and you can also include me. You have to wait until September 2016 or a bit longer :-) John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted March 9, 2016 Share #509 Posted March 9, 2016 i'd rather keep the current optical RF with a modern clip-on EVF personnally. Why having an impractical clip-on EVF when Leica can just embed it in the camera below the RF viewfinder. It will be a breeze to move the eye from RF to EVF for critical focusing or exact framing. This avoids the complexity and compromises of a hybrid VF, and make everyone happy. That's the real "next M", and the only question should be: when can I give Leica the money and buy one ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 9, 2016 Share #510 Posted March 9, 2016 Possibly, but it would alienate quite a few users who do not want an EVF, and above all, if Leica manages to make a clip-on EVF upgradable this time around, it would be a bonus in this evolving technology. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted March 9, 2016 Share #511 Posted March 9, 2016 Competitors find it nonsense to remove a $5 display from a camera just to please a few extravagant users. Apart from this, wireless remote control and Live View have been implemented long ago. But sure, Leica will be the first to implement this in a displayless RF camera, exactly like I can be the first man on earth to sing "Jingle Bells" while playing a keyboardless piano with an octopus on my head Been there. Done that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 9, 2016 Share #512 Posted March 9, 2016 Why having an impractical clip-on EVF when Leica can just embed it in the camera below the RF viewfinder. [...] Why impractical? Visoflexes have always been practical since the fifties and an electronic Visoflex would be the most practical of them by far. That of the M240 was a good experience yet. Give it the speed and resolution of modern EVFs and we'd have the best of both worlds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted March 9, 2016 Share #513 Posted March 9, 2016 Why impractical? Visoflexes have always been practical since the fifties and an electronic Visoflex would be the most practical of them by far. That of the M240 was a good experience yet. Give it the speed and resolution of modern EVFs and we'd have the best of both worlds. Impractical because I need to move a lot to switch from a VF to the other, the external VF is plastic, ugly, adds to the size of the camera, and prevents using the hotshoe for anything else. If instead you just have two VF next to each other, there won't be any problem. Users who don't want the EVF can simply put its cover on, or wait for the castrated model without EVF, without display, and without whatever "real men" don't need. About upgradeability, I expect Leica to implement the EVF using the best technology that is supported by the chipset (which is what they say they did with the M240 external EVF). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 10, 2016 Share #514 Posted March 10, 2016 Thanks no thanks. A clip-on EVF would help to remove extra weight and size from the monster you're describing. I could then have a digital camera looking and feeling like a true M and thanks to the electronic Visoflex i could use it like a mirrorless camera when i have not my A7s with me. Same as today with less bulk hopefully and a modern EVF. Looks like you've convinced me finally Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted March 10, 2016 Share #515 Posted March 10, 2016 Thanks no thanks. A clip-on EVF would help to remove extra weight and size from the monster you're describing. I could then have a digital camera looking and feeling like a true M and thanks to the electronic Visoflex i could use it like a mirrorless camera when i have not my A7s with me. Same as today with less bulk hopefully and a modern EVF. Looks like you've convinced me finally A clip-on EVF weighs just a few grams, and an embedded one even less. Your fingerprints on the camera will probably add more weight The camera with embedded EVF will feel just like a true M, because it simply is a true M with an extra VF. For what it's worth, it could even not have a back LCD, and make even more people happy. Just please add an ISO wheel I can use with the right thumb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithlaban.co.uk Posted March 10, 2016 Share #516 Posted March 10, 2016 ...and above all, if Leica manages to make a clip-on EVF upgradable this time around, it would be a bonus in this evolving technology. Pretty please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 10, 2016 Share #517 Posted March 10, 2016 A clip-on EVF weighs just a few grams, and an embedded one even less. Your fingerprints on the camera will probably add more weight The camera with embedded EVF will feel just like a true M, because it simply is a true M with an extra VF [...] Cramming more things in a single body can only lead to more bulk and weight i’m afraid. Remember Leica is not Sony. Look at the SL compared to the A7. Old timers like me recall well the M5 debacle. Too many things in this otherwise brilliant body. The M240 is at the limit from this standpoint. Add it a built-in EVF and it would become obese. Thanks no thanks but you may well prefer callipygian beauties of course Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyalf Posted March 10, 2016 Share #518 Posted March 10, 2016 To all: Please do posts about built-in EVF and such in the relevant forum, not in the forum for the Leica M RF . ThanksI havent read the 25+ pages, but is it safe to say that a summary is "more users demands for how to move away from the M allready repeated a few thousand times before"?P.S. Still grumpy after 2 coffes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Ash Posted March 10, 2016 Share #519 Posted March 10, 2016 I do not get the point of ignoring the many statements of Leica officials that an M will stay a rangefinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 10, 2016 Share #520 Posted March 10, 2016 But they are not saying which kind of rangefinder... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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