sirimiri Posted November 10, 2015 Share #81 Posted November 10, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) ^Special editions to come last, eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jmahto Posted November 10, 2015 Share #82 Posted November 10, 2015 I'd like to add to my list, toast. I really like toast. I'd like Leica to work on something that would provide a way the camera could make toast, I mean, really good toast. I'm sure everyone would agree that toast is good... never met anybody that didn't like toast, right? Rick I will raise a toast to that... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglou Posted November 10, 2015 Share #83 Posted November 10, 2015 No functionality comes for free. It might be the case that LV-capable sensors provide a data stream that lends itself to be captured as a video, but that in itself doesn't make a video feature. You still need to develop, test, debug, document the firmware that drives the hardware and manages the video UI as well potentially pay licensing fees for a video codec. Plus, the increased complexity of the firmware means that the development of other non-video features gets more expensive as well. If software development came for free we wouldn't have all the problems with firmware bugs, would we? ------ Exactly, maybe also choices of components in order to optimize for both, possible other choices would have been made only for photography. Then the physical needed for video, mics, holes in the camera, connectors etc... I would also prefer a M camera optimized for photographers (still with EVF, better sensor, more resolution, contained dimensions) and the SL being the generalist tool good for video and photography that i will not buy... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 10, 2015 Share #84 Posted November 10, 2015 No functionality comes for free. It might be the case that LV-capable sensors provide a data stream that lends itself to be captured as a video, but that in itself doesn't make a video feature. You still need to develop, test, debug, document the firmware that drives the hardware and manages the video UI as well potentially pay licensing fees for a video codec. Plus, the increased complexity of the firmware means that the development of other non-video features gets more expensive as well. If software development came for free we wouldn't have all the problems with firmware bugs, would we? These are marginal costs. I suspect the box it comes in is more expensive. Hence the use of the word "practically". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted November 10, 2015 Share #85 Posted November 10, 2015 Probably, they decided to add video on M240 BEFORE that the SL project was drafted... they eveluated that such a feature, present in almost any digicamera, would have increased the appeal of M240 : now, with SL, thing could be evaluated differently... I mean, that if the future M will have a completely new sensor , maybe they could decide not to invest in the (marginal) cost of video... probably this wouldn't hurt the M sales ... even if seems to me that many M users consider it an appreciable addon.... I have never used extensively video, so haven't idea if a M240 "film" is someway "better" than one taken with a much more economical camera... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted November 10, 2015 Share #86 Posted November 10, 2015 I think that you are all missing the point. The M type RF camera is what it is and was when the M3 was originally designed - a stills camera. Video will always be 'tacked on' and as such will never be the prime reason for buying an M type camera. The form of the M type rangefinder isn't really an ideal one for video and I doubt that the aftermarket add ons available for so many other stills/video cameras are worth building for it due to its low volume sales and its fewer video users - actually I wonder just how many users have found the video feature to be something which they use to any significant degree? I'd doubt that its many - there are easier ways to shoot video and with the SL, considerably better even with M lenses. Losing the video functionality on an M would IMO make little difference to sales and leaving it in there makes for a more complex camera - personally I'm happier not to have it since I wouldn't use it. To me the M type rangefinder has too many compromises with video - MF, no close focus, etc. - so why bother with it at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 10, 2015 Share #87 Posted November 10, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Because it is very practical - a short clip during travel with a long lens to augment the video taken with a "real" video camera, for PJs to insert a talking head in a corporate photoshoot, seeing the unexpected which screams for video when on a camera walkabout - etc. I would not be without it, even if I never considered it a need when it was not there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xspider Posted November 10, 2015 Share #88 Posted November 10, 2015 I also don't need or like video on the M, I never used it and I don't think it suits the cameras philosophy. The M should be reduced to the essential ("Das Wesentliche"), a "pure" camera. "Perfection is finally attained not when there is no longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away" as Antoine de Saint Exupéry has said (but not sure if he was refering to a Leica M, most likely not... ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 10, 2015 Share #89 Posted November 10, 2015 Hmmm.. I use a camera as a tool to take images, not a philosophical vehicle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted November 10, 2015 Share #90 Posted November 10, 2015 I also don't need or like video on the M, I never used it and I don't think it suits the cameras philosophy. The M should be reduced to the essential ("Das Wesentliche"), a "pure" camera. "Perfection is finally attained not when there is no longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away" as Antoine de Saint Exupéry has said (but not sure if he was refering to a Leica M, most likely not... ) Not sure whether we all agree on cameras philosophy or the concept of "pure" camera. I can say that anything with a battery is not a pure camera and anyone who doesn't print his work is not a pure photographer. I am sure I will find many people who agree with this concept... and many who will not agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted November 10, 2015 Share #91 Posted November 10, 2015 I have never shot video on my M240's and never will. In fact the first, last and only time I shot video was with a Panasonic camcorder that used a full-sized VHS tape. I'm just not into videography. Occasionally I have a practical use for it and in that case I've got my iPhone. That said as long as the video button can be disabled, I have no complaints about it being a feature. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmx_2 Posted November 10, 2015 Share #92 Posted November 10, 2015 My philosophy is simple. Simplicity is the ultimate perfection. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffry Abt Posted November 10, 2015 Share #93 Posted November 10, 2015 Leave video to the SL! ...How many of you would miss video if it was gone fro the M? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 10, 2015 Share #94 Posted November 10, 2015 1. I would rather that they left off EV comp. Never use it - nonsense for purity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted November 10, 2015 Share #95 Posted November 10, 2015 I never use the LCD ... oh, hang on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 10, 2015 Share #96 Posted November 10, 2015 ...How many of you would miss video if it was gone fro the M? It's gone the second one disables it. There are many settings/features I don't use....probably different from others' choices....fine by me as long as size/balance/ergonomics not adversely affected and nothing intrudes on the desired experience. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted November 10, 2015 Share #97 Posted November 10, 2015 My philosophy is simple. Simplicity is the ultimate perfection. I thought you said simplicity was your philosophy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roey Posted November 10, 2015 Share #98 Posted November 10, 2015 These are marginal costs. I suspect the box it comes in is more expensive. Hence the use of the word "practically". Well, if Leica's budget for firmware development is less than the cost of the box that would actually explain all the problems with the firmware and their slowness/unwillingness/inability to fix bugs . But I doubt that that is the case. Product development is all too often a game of tradeoffs. Rest assured that we all somehow have paid for the video feature. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted November 10, 2015 Share #99 Posted November 10, 2015 I thought you said simplicity was your philosophy? Simply put, simplicity is not a simple philosophy. That is why it takes so long to develop a new M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted November 10, 2015 Share #100 Posted November 10, 2015 There may always be a place for video-less M but I am confident the base model will continue to support video. Video is here to stay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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