leicatraveller Posted October 23, 2015 Share #1 Posted October 23, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) well according with Leica website customer the investment of 7000 euro with just 2 slow zooms and possibility to buy the R to SL at the end of 2016 while the S to SL will be avalaible "soon" just mid 2016 a marketing monster??? or they are genius and i'm stupid (well all is possible ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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luigi bertolotti Posted October 24, 2015 Share #2 Posted October 24, 2015 Fact is, you can mount R lenses NOW, stacking a pair of adapters... maybe they wait so much to understand (from sales data and forums' opinions... ) if it is worth to make it "Smart" (to say, with auto diaph actuation (which adds cost) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglou Posted October 24, 2015 Share #3 Posted October 24, 2015 They better make it " smart " and also think about it for the next M, a contact or something to accomodate the smart adaptor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Black Posted October 24, 2015 Share #4 Posted October 24, 2015 They better make it " smart " and also think about it for the next M, a contact or something to accomodate the smart adaptor. With the SL announced, I do not see any reason (motivation) for Leica to further R compatibility on M. From Leica's position, if a R-user wants "more", then Leica offers the SL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted October 24, 2015 Share #5 Posted October 24, 2015 With the SL announced, I do not see any reason (motivation) for Leica to further R compatibility on M. From Leica's position, if a R-user wants "more", then Leica offers the SL. True, but if they engineer an R adapter with auto diaphragm based on adapter recognition, it could be not too challenging to declinate it also in M version... the hard and costly part is diaph actuation... it could be sold for good money (of course... ) , could be patented i.e unique in the market, and would complement fine a new high resolution accessory EVF for the next M... ... many of us would buy it by sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lm_user Posted October 25, 2015 Share #6 Posted October 25, 2015 If I had an M or SL I would certainly buy an R adapter with automatic diaphram. A dumb adapter option only will keep me away from an SL or purchasing an adapter for a M Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglou Posted October 25, 2015 Share #7 Posted October 25, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration)   With the SL announced, I do not see any reason (motivation) for Leica to further R compatibility on M.  From Leica's position, if a R-user wants "more", then Leica offers the SL.  Leica can't live forever on past reputation. I started photography with a IIIF and bought models until the M9. I did not buy the M240 because of cheap Evf and small if any real image improvement from M9. Since then i wait for an upgrade at least of the evf of the M240. The original one is so crap i thought that out of respect for the customers the upgrade would come soon. Now this new thing praised by Leica as " the R solution " does not bring anything in this regard the M do not have or a Sony A7. The thing is inferior to the M with M lenses. In fact the SL is only eventually interesting (not for me) with its own lenses. Until Leica decides to finally upgrade the M with the new evf, fast electronics and better sensor i will not be interested in any of their other products. Reading this forum and others after the introduction of the SL i do not feel alone in this mood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandokan Posted October 25, 2015 Share #8 Posted October 25, 2015 Something is not right in their marketing speak. If this is the culmination of the "R10" that never came, then how comes the R to SL adaptor is not released already? A pure mechanical adaptor should be simple to produce and I guess it wont be long before someone makes one. An adaptor that can read the ROM would be nice and a mechanical link to close down the aperture would be better ... but we have lived without these for years already so we can probably live without them for a few more, as long as we can use our R lenses. I will not put the SL on my wish list until I have a solution for the R. The M240 was not it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r3happy Posted October 25, 2015 Share #9 Posted October 25, 2015 Auto-diaphragm on the R to SL adapter is essential in my view. Without that it's not a full solution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 25, 2015 Share #10 Posted October 25, 2015 Stacking adapters sounds like fun! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicaiste Posted October 25, 2015 Share #11 Posted October 25, 2015 Auto-diaphragm on the R to SL adapter is essential in my view. Without that it's not a full solution. The transmission of the ROM information will be the only way for the SL to know the real focal used on a R Vario. With a a R fixed focal lens, to chose its name on the list inside the SL will suffice for the camera to know some of the correction to be applied and that as when a L lens is in use. As as an example the Apo-Summicron 90/2 M and R picture files should receive the same treatment inside the SL as they do inside the M240. But with a Vario the treatment needed is different at 28 and 90mm. Or 21 and 35mm, 28 and 50 or 70mm, 70 and 180mm etc. And also when using the Apo-Ewtender 2X. Only the ROM can transmit them, like it was doing on the R8/R9 to move the flash head. If the adapter could transmit the aperture in use, it would also improve the internal treatment for the R lenses files. On the L lenses there is no way to transmit the aperture. Now, maybe the window on the front of the SL hides a cell for the SL to guess the aperture in use like it does on the M. It doesn't seem so, the instruction booklet says it is for the white balance. Anyway, for the time being, the pictures taken with the R 28-90 should request more work in LR than those taken with the SL 24-90. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
screwmount Posted October 25, 2015 Share #12 Posted October 25, 2015 When will the Lenny Safari version be released.????? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted October 25, 2015 Share #13 Posted October 25, 2015 A smart R adapter with ROM transmission for lenses so equipped would be ideal for zooms. For my prime lens kit (all 2 and 3 cam), a dumb adapter suffices but auto diaphragm and aperture setting would be great; I don't mind having to set a lens code. Makes no difference to my good feelings about the SL, however. It will take time to work out all these things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick_dykstra Posted October 26, 2015 Share #14 Posted October 26, 2015 It's disappointing that the R to SL adapter is not available from the start. I also will not consider purchasing the SL until this adapter has been announced and tested. I imagine that the adapter will cause the diaphragm to close down according to the aperture setting on the R lens. The SL viewfinder will then display the picture as it will look if taken, in terms of exposure and depth of field. Sounds OK. It would be highly desirable for the adapter to pass lens information through to the body, for all the usual reasons. Selecting the lens from a menu is hit and miss - I often forget when using my M9 and non-coded lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted October 26, 2015 Share #15 Posted October 26, 2015 I solved this issue for my uncoded lenses with the M9 and M-P by using the user configs. G It's disappointing that the R to SL adapter is not available from the start. I also will not consider purchasing the SL until this adapter has been announced and tested.I imagine that the adapter will cause the diaphragm to close down according to the aperture setting on the R lens. The SL viewfinder will then display the picture as it will look if taken, in terms of exposure and depth of field. Sounds OK. It would be highly desirable for the adapter to pass lens information through to the body, for all the usual reasons. Selecting the lens from a menu is hit and miss - I often forget when using my M9 and non-coded lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicaiste Posted October 26, 2015 Share #16 Posted October 26, 2015 ... If the adapter could transmit the aperture in use, it would also improve the internal treatment for the R lenses files. On the L lenses there is no way to transmit the aperture. Now, maybe the window on the front of the SL hides a cell for the SL to guess the aperture in use like it does on the M. It doesn't seem so, the instruction booklet says it is for the white balance. .... From an interview of Stephen Schulz in Amateur Photographer: Schulz pointed out that, not only will the SL be compatible with S and R lenses, but it will also accept M lenses, also via an adapter, using an external light sensor to optimise image performance. The SL, Schulz enthused, will be the ‘second best camera for Leica M lenses in the world market’ (quickly adding that the Leica M remains king). Read more at http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/latest/photo-news/interview-the-leica-sl-the-r10-dslr-that-never-was-63858#AsU3pcwUjO8CUr7b.99 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted October 26, 2015 Share #17 Posted October 26, 2015 Now, maybe the window on the front of the SL hides a cell for the SL to guess the aperture in use like it does on the M. Sure it does. I thought I had already mentioned that somewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooky Posted October 26, 2015 Share #18 Posted October 26, 2015 No auto-aperature R adapter makes this likely a non-sale. IF the primes come at a reasonable price (and I don't need the anti-vibe tech and it's added cost) then I could change my mind. But as I read early reviews and find the details, including the plank of wood style which still has yet to impress me - in fact - I think Leica really kind of comes across as being a bit desperate with the SL and it seems a lot of Leica users are let down. I really want to like it, maybe once they show up a the local Leica shop I'll warm up to it. But, when I first saw the SL2 it inspired me and it had 'Leica' design all over and I got that feeling even when I saw the S, but not with the new SL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynp Posted October 26, 2015 Share #19 Posted October 26, 2015 When will the Lenny Safari version be released.?????Indeed. Brassing and black paint, please! The milled Aluminum is so T-ish. I have my own sandpaper, thank you so much! I also desire the sapphire glass and Leica script, very visible, on the top!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynp Posted October 26, 2015 Share #20 Posted October 26, 2015 To be honest, I don't understand why so many ppl insist on using the Automatic Aperture adapters. I use my R lenses on my A7s, mostly for video , and I don't feel challenged using the R-lenses with the EVF, it allows gain and let focus the lens comfortable in regular shooting situations stopped down. For my use stacked adapters will be ok. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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