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I'm with Doug on this. When Kristian Dowling came through Auckland, he mentioned that he shot purely manually, relying on the EVF image to set exposure. I thought this was a brilliant development brought by the EVF. It hadn't occurred to me before. 

 

I was somewhat disappointed when I realised I had to press the fn button to get exposure simulation. If this setting was permanent, it would make life so much easier - no exposure compensation, no metering modes, no auto-ISO settings ...

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I'm with Doug on this. When Kristian Dowling came through Auckland, he mentioned that he shot purely manually, relying on the EVF image to set exposure. I thought this was a brilliant development brought by the EVF. It hadn't occurred to me before. 

 

I was somewhat disappointed when I realised I had to press the fn button to get exposure simulation. If this setting was permanent, it would make life so much easier - no exposure compensation, no metering modes, no auto-ISO settings ...

 

 

... Poorer response times, more battery consumption, poorer display quality too, under some circumstances. Pluses and minuses.  :rolleyes:

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It's made by CMOSIS

 

I don't believe that CMOSIS has any fab facilities, it is a design bureau. The M240 sensor was fabbed by STC Microelectronics in Grenoble, France to CMOSIS' design. I have no idea who fabs the wafers for the SL sensor. It could even be someone in the far east who has a big fab plant, such as TSMC ( Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company) or Panasonic. Alternatively, it could still be STC. 

 

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Maybe this is the SL sensor fab plant  :)

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I bought the SL two weeks ago and made a bit more than one hundred photos with it and It is real fun. I was thinking of buying the new Canon 1DX, but then decided for the Leica. It is not only the quality that put me to Leica, but also the emotional side of it all. Leica, the professional fun in photography.

 

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Hannu.

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It's made by CMOSIS

 

Leica is not stuck on one designer, the Q sensor is most likely designed by Towerjazz, an Israeli company that is in the Panasonic group and fabbed by STMC. But then, Towerjazz has cooperated with CMOSIS as well. The SL, most likely in the same Panasonic-related circuit.

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I bought the SL two weeks ago and made a bit more than one hundred photos with it .....................

 

 

 

Welcome to the forum Hannu, it's nice to hear that you're having fun with your new camera.

 

I must say that I am very impressed with your restraint in shooting so few photos with a brand new camera though. You must be very disciplined!

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Sorry if this has been discussed already- when the eventual S adapter becomes available, what will the "crop factor" or equivalent FOV be?

 

Thanks!

 

 

A 70mm lens on the S will be a 70mm lens on the SL - thus there is no 'crop' on the 135 (24mm x 36mm) format.

 

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Today I spotted the first SL-User in my area (Salzburg) whilst I was testing a new lens on the M. 

 

The extracted lens-and-hood combo were way to big to once become interesting to me. I would like to see comparisons between the SL at 90mm f4 and the M with the new Macro-Elmar -M 90 also at f4 I was playing with.

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On the SL you would rather use the Apo Macro Elmarit-R 2.8/100 to make comparisons of macro shots.

The SL 24-90 is an outstanding lens, but for macro it is no match to the "specialist" lenses. And it is terribly unwieldy.

On another camera system you would never even think about comparing a macro zoom against a fixed focal length macro lens - the difference is obvious, the zoom cannot even go near 1:2 or even 1:1 .

(Handheld you can make shaky photos with both - often found in many fora, but that means not equal quality in best circumstances ;-). 

 

Stephan

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On the SL you would rather use the Apo Macro Elmarit-R 2.8/100 to make comparisons of macro shots.

The SL 24-90 is an outstanding lens, but for macro it is no match to the "specialist" lenses. And it is terribly unwieldy.

On another camera system you would never even think about comparing a macro zoom against a fixed focal length macro lens - the difference is obvious, the zoom cannot even go near 1:2 or even 1:1 .

(Handheld you can make shaky photos with both - often found in many fora, but that means not equal quality in best circumstances ;-). 

 

Stephan

 

 

When the SL24-90 lens is used with an achromatic supplementary close-up lens it is capable of producing good macro images - as is the X Vario lens. Forum members have posted examples of images thus taken.

 

dunk 

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When the SL24-90 lens is used with an achromatic supplementary close-up lens it is capable of producing good macro images - as is the X Vario lens. Forum members have posted examples of images thus taken.

 

dunk 

 

 

Hello Dunk,

 

don't beat me up. But there is a difference between good and excellent. And this is what you expect at this price point (more than 10k)

I can make good macro photos with a vivitar zoom lens for 20$ and a fitting close-up lens for 50$.  Price point far below 1k . With the Q I can also make good macro photos. Of course I can take almost anything - even a smartphone - to make a nice photo of some flowers.

 

You are using the most expensive equipment in FF to get a non-exciting (mediocre) result. It is "nice" to use the close-up lens on the 24-90, but not really worth a serious recommendation.

Take a "reversed" 35mm or 24mm lens and put it in front of the zoom lens (filter thread to filter thread) and this will result in a much higher quality "close-up" lens. And sometimes you get really exciting results. This works with most "normal" (macro) zooms, but the 24-90 is much too fat or let's say wide (82mm) to do this successfully. It is simply the wrong lens for this (for macro). Makes no sense to deny this.

Longer zooms in the range of e.g. 70-210 are better for this anyway. And of course it works also with fixed focus length lenses, maybe even better because of their high quality. But selecting the image detail is much easier with a zoom.

 

It's not like taking a 50 year old lens (cost zero) out of a dusty drawer and trying to get a decent result - this is at least interesting for historical reasons.

 

Again, please don't beat me up.                  

 

Stephan

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No plans to beat anyone up Stephan … just stating a fact which is borne out by the following image and others 

 

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/253192-leica-sl-image-thread-post-your-examples-here/?p=2946954

 

…never underestimate a good quality achromatic c/u lens.

 

dunk

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To make it clearer what I mean when I use an "inverted" or "reversed" lens as a close-up lens:

An inverted lens of 50mm corresponds to 20 diopters (100cm / 5 cm).

A 24 mm about 40 diopters (exactly 100cm / 2.4cm = 41.7 diopters), and a 100mm about 10 diopters.

This way you get all the diopters you need.

 

And a "grown-up" lens is much better corrected than a simple achromat and costs almost nothing (e.g. old M42 equipment)

 

Stephan

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