edwardkaraa Posted November 8, 2015 Share #441 Posted November 8, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Sigma and Tamron lenses on an SL? I'd never do it. That's like putting Sears bargain brand tires on a Ferrari. :-) Maybe Zeiss, if they produce something with quality control a bit better than what I see in the ZM lens line. Because you believe quality control on M lenses is better than on the ZM? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ramarren Posted November 8, 2015 Share #442 Posted November 8, 2015 Because you believe quality control on M lenses is better than on the ZM? Yes, in my experience. I've tried two ZM lenses (25/2.8 and 50/2), and returned both. They performed well but they felt loose and like they would not last to me. I, personally, have never had that experience with a Leica lens. I've owned/own Leica lenses that are 60 years old and still feel smooth and tight, work like new. Personal experience, personal opinion. They are manufactured goods, I fully expect that some folks have had other experiences. Nothing is perfect ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted November 8, 2015 Share #443 Posted November 8, 2015 Sigma and Tamron lenses on an SL? I'd never do it. That's like putting Sears bargain brand tires on a Ferrari. :-) Maybe Zeiss, if they produce something with quality control a bit better than what I see in the ZM lens line. My experience with the ZM lenses is that their quality control is at a whole different level from Leica. I have had 5 ZM lenses over the years and every one has been perfect out of the box and they stayed that way for my ownership. I have three Contax lenses which I use on my M240, two of which were bought fairly recently as new, old stock. Again they were perfect out of the box. I understand that the QC inspectors in Cosina today and Kyocera in the past are Zeiss employees not the manufacturers'. Out my five most recent Leica lenses, four have had to go straight back to the factory for replacement/revision, with only the 18mm SEM being OK. At one point I rather facetiously suggested that the man who signed the QC certificates must be Mr. Magoo. I think for a lens that you might only use very occasionally, say a long AF zoom 150 - 400 or fish-eye, it would be perfectly reasonable to buy and use a Sigma or Tamron lens on an SL. I bet they are far better than some of the old Leica Telyt lenses (not difficult). For years I have used a Zenitar 16mm/f2.8 rectilinear fish-eye on my M cameras, with an M42 to M adapter and its results are surprisingly good. There is actually less vignetting than some much more expensive fish-eye lenses. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted November 8, 2015 Share #444 Posted November 8, 2015 Sorry to hear of your misfortune with recently purchased, new Leica lenses. I've bought two this year (Elmar-M 24/3.8 ASPH and Summitar-M 75/2.4) .. Both are flawless and perform brilliantly on my M-P. The Telyt-R 250mm f/4 (v1, late 3cam model) arrived just recently too. I tested it using the R Adapter M on the M-P just the other day: its performance seems excellent, and it's in extremely nice condition too, needs only to have the lens hood's felt refreshed to be perfect (the felt is a little worn such that the hood is slightly loose, that's all). The build quality is terrific. I think I'll be quite satisfied using it on the SL for the scant price of $290 that I paid for it. I'll be curious to see how well it performs with an APO-Extender-R 2x as well .. That combination should easily satisfy all my needs for ultra tele if it works well. I think I'm good to go on this one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted November 8, 2015 Share #445 Posted November 8, 2015 Sorry to hear of your misfortune with recently purchased, new Leica lenses. I've bought two this year (Elmar-M 24/3.8 ASPH and Summitar-M 75/2.4) .. Both are flawless and perform brilliantly on my M-P. The Telyt-R 250mm f/4 (v1, late 3cam model) arrived just recently too. I tested it using the R Adapter M on the M-P just the other day: its performance seems excellent, and it's in extremely nice condition too, needs only to have the lens hood's felt refreshed to be perfect (the felt is a little worn such that the hood is slightly loose, that's all). The build quality is terrific. I think I'll be quite satisfied using it on the SL for the scant price of $290 that I paid for it. I'll be curious to see how well it performs with an APO-Extender-R 2x as well .. That combination should easily satisfy all my needs for ultra tele if it works well. I think I'm good to go on this one. I once had a 250/4 R Mk I and yes it was a good performer - better than the MTF charts in the Leica Pocket Book suggest. However, my example's tripod bush plate sheared off when mounted on a tripod whilst panning at an air show. Luckily, as the combination fell I managed to catch it - but on examination was surprised to see how tiny both in diameter and length the sheared tripod bush plate attachment screws are considering the weight they have to support. The lens was repairable but I did not feel confident about enthusiastic / fast panning after the disappointing experience. Personally I would not want to use the relatively heavy SL with a Mk I 250/4 … the 250/4 R Mk 2 has an improved (rotating) tripod bush. dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted November 8, 2015 Share #446 Posted November 8, 2015 I once had a 250/4 R Mk I and yes it was a good performer - better than the MTF charts in the Leica Pocket Book suggest. However, my example's tripod bush plate sheared off when mounted on a tripod whilst panning at an air show. Luckily, as the combination fell I managed to catch it - but on examination was surprised to see how tiny both in diameter and length the sheared tripod bush plate attachment screws are considering the weight they have to support. The lens was repairable but I did not feel confident about enthusiastic / fast panning after the disappointing experience. Personally I would not want to use the relatively heavy SL with a Mk I 250/4 … the 250/4 R Mk 2 has an improved (rotating) tripod bush. dunk Thanks, that's worth keeping in mind. The mount on the 180/2.8 v1 seems the same, and it's a similar weight,,so I'll watch out with that one too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicaiste Posted November 9, 2015 Share #447 Posted November 9, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Un de ceux qui ont testé le SL avec le 24-90 SL pourrait-il me dire si le SL travaille à l'ouverture choisie ou à pleine ouverture ? Merci d'avance. Lucien Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicaiste Posted November 9, 2015 Share #448 Posted November 9, 2015 Un de ceux qui ont testé le SL avec le 24-90 SL pourrait-il me dire si le SL travaille à l'ouverture choisie ou à pleine ouverture ? Merci d'avance. Lucien Sorry it was not meant to be posted here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted November 9, 2015 Share #449 Posted November 9, 2015 Sorry it was not meant to be posted here. I thought it was a sign of desperation, you'd posted the question so many times on other threads, and no one was responding, so you posted in French! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicaiste Posted November 9, 2015 Share #450 Posted November 9, 2015 I thought it was a sign of desperation, you'd posted the question so many times on other threads, and no one was responding, so you posted in French! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted November 9, 2015 Share #451 Posted November 9, 2015 I thought it was a sign of desperation, you'd posted the question so many times on other threads, and no one was responding, so you posted in French! :-) ... That's funny! The SL has simulation modes that lock it to the taking aperture with native lenses, but they don't say specifically what it does in "normal" view. It seemed like my E-M1: in normal viewing mode, the camera uses all tools at its disposal, including the lens' diaphragm, to keep the viewfinder bright and clear. It will stop down or open up the aperture as needed. Only in a simulation or preview mode will it lock the setting in place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted November 9, 2015 Share #452 Posted November 9, 2015 As others have said, it is going to be very interesting when the R to T/L adapter comes out. Just how seriously have Leica taken their R replacement brief? Will it have full communication with the chips on ROM lenses and auto aperture. Fingers crossed folks Some near amateurs have managed it with cobbled together adapters for Canon and Nikon MF but auto aperture lenses on the later digital SLR's, so hopefully the professional Leica will be able to manage it even better. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted November 10, 2015 Share #453 Posted November 10, 2015 Going back to the lens issue, or more precisely lack of, Zeiss already makes 2 AF batis lenses for the FE mount, 85/1.8 and 25/2, as well as 3 MF loxia, 21/2.8, 35/2, and 50/2. I wonder how difficult would it be for them to release them in SL mount, and if they have any interest in doing so, especially that Zeiss and Leica seem to have some sort of understanding regarding not encroaching on to each other business. But anyhow, if Zeiss ever decide to do it, they might be releasing the first SL prime before Leica Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted November 10, 2015 Share #454 Posted November 10, 2015 Going back to the lens issue, or more precisely lack of, Zeiss already makes 2 AF batis lenses for the FE mount, 85/1.8 and 25/2, as well as 3 MF loxia, 21/2.8, 35/2, and 50/2. I wonder how difficult would it be for them to release them in SL mount, and if they have any interest in doing so, especially that Zeiss and Leica seem to have some sort of understanding regarding not encroaching on to each other business. But anyhow, if Zeiss ever decide to do it, they might be releasing the first SL prime before Leica My guess is that Leica will have patented the T/L mount very carefully and would be unlikely to licence this to Zeiss. The tie ups with Zeiss are quite extensive. Schott Glass, a subsidiary of the Zeiss Foundation, supply most if not all the glass blanks for Leica lenses. After Canada shut down, I think I am correct in saying that Leica no longer make any of their own glass. Both the Batis AF and Otus and Milvius MF lenses get very good reviews, even if they are pig ugly . Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 10, 2015 Share #455 Posted November 10, 2015 To be pedant - after they sold their Glass Lab to Schott... About the electronic/aperture connection to R lenses, I am not so optimistic, as Mr. Daniel, in his response to Andreas' question about the SL being the R solution, went something like: "Err...Ummm...in a spiritual sense maybe" or words to that effect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted November 10, 2015 Share #456 Posted November 10, 2015 We will just have to get some backstreet place in Hong Kong to make a smart adapter, like for example they did to enable Contax N/645 lenses to be used on Canon AF SLR's, with a custom programmed chip. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglou Posted November 10, 2015 Share #457 Posted November 10, 2015 To be pedant - after they sold their Glass Lab to Schott... About the electronic/aperture connection to R lenses, I am not so optimistic, as Mr. Daniel, in his response to Andreas' question about the SL being the R solution, went something like: "Err...Ummm...in a spiritual sense maybe" or words to that effect. Think the same, the R argument is marketing, now even if Leica was able to build easily a perfect adaptor they would probably not do it when they introduce a new range of lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted November 10, 2015 Share #458 Posted November 10, 2015 Just been to Leica Mayfair (London) to see what the SL looks and feels like in the hand (I have it on order), and particularly what the lens is like (which I don't). I found the body surprisingly light and manageable, after all the comments. My SLR experience is solely Pracktica STL2, Pentax MX and Canon 550D, so I am used to smaller SLRs. The SL body was not a disappointment. The 24-90 lens was, well, large, heavy and tumescent. I am sure it needs to be for its design requirements, IS and AF; I'd like the zoom range and weather sealing, and I'm sure it's lighter than the M 24-28-35-75-90 lenses combined, but it is just too, well.........., large, heavy and tumescent. My choices have not changed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 10, 2015 Share #459 Posted November 10, 2015 We will just have to get some backstreet place in Hong Kong to make a smart adapter, like for example they did to enable Contax N/645 lenses to be used on Canon AF SLR's, with a custom programmed chip. Wilson yes - I has such an adapter in the past - it gave no end of electronic trouble... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted November 10, 2015 Share #460 Posted November 10, 2015 Just been to Leica Mayfair (London) to see what the SL looks and feels like in the hand The 24-90 lens was, just too, well.........., large, heavy and tumescent. ...... perhaps if you had fondled it a bit less it would have stayed a more manageable size ........ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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