bocaburger Posted October 11, 2015 Share #21 Posted October 11, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) The M240's optical rangefinder was apparently "amended" vs prior versions - it now seems more accurate, higher contrast and less likely to drift. Given Leica bothered to do that (presumably with R&D and other expenses?) I've always assumed they're trying to future proof and perfect the M's optical rangefinder - this seems in conflict with a notion of a hybrid in the queue. My best guess is the M will remain a traditional optical rangefinder, whereas a camera with an electronic viewfinder will be the role of things like the new mystery SL ...... I own 2 M240's and used the 1st one a lot alongside my M9 (whose RF I had to adjust myself, but only once at the very beginning of ownership, oweing to it having slipped through QC poorly adjusted) and to this day I can't see a bit of improvement in contrast or accuracy on the M240. But if your hypothesis is correct and Leica won't eliminate or hybridize the RF, I'm all for taking a swig of the Koolaid and jumping on the M240-RF-is-much-improved bandwagon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FlashGordonPhotography Posted October 11, 2015 Share #22 Posted October 11, 2015 Maybe I'm way off, but intuitively I'm thinking the lag delay is due at least in part to the open-close-open shutter sequence and that the only way to shorten it radically would be to eliminate the physical focal plane shutter in favor of an electronic one (and perhaps an FP "gate" if you will, that only opens/closes when changing lenses? Leica could simply add an electronic first curtain shutter option which would solve the issue completely. For the rare times where rolling shutter is an issue the normal mechanical shutter is still available. EFCS would also allow the camera to use matrix style metering with the RF. Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted October 11, 2015 Share #23 Posted October 11, 2015 I own 2 M240's and used the 1st one a lot alongside my M9 (whose RF I had to adjust myself, but only once at the very beginning of ownership, oweing to it having slipped through QC poorly adjusted) and to this day I can't see a bit of improvement in contrast or accuracy on the M240. But if your hypothesis is correct and Leica won't eliminate or hybridize the RF, I'm all for taking a swig of the Koolaid and jumping on the M240-RF-is-much-improved bandwagon I don't see it either. But I accept that finally my eyes aren't as good as they used to be and those with perfect vision can see something I can't. Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 12, 2015 Share #24 Posted October 12, 2015 Drink carrot juice instead of Cool-aid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Black Posted October 12, 2015 Share #25 Posted October 12, 2015 Given recent experience the only things that will make me move on from the 240 are: Improved performance with EVF (I've gone back to the Frankenfinder if I want to shoot with the 21 or 18 - shutter delays are just unacceptable for reportage) movable focus point in LV / EVF Chris, you nailed it. It's not just a better EVF - we have to be able move around the magnified view and the shutter lag is horrible. The lag is not just bad from a technical standpoint, but also from rhythm standpoint too. I miss shots with the EVF because I'm not used to shots firing 3/4 of a second AFTER pressing the shutter release. By the time the cameras fires, I've usually moved... Another thing I'd like to see is WiFi. I do alot of night shots (long exposures) and would like to be able to see the Live View stream to the iOS device, zoom in to check focus, etc., and then fire the shot remotely. The 3" rear LCD's are good screens, but when checking details and trying to get a feel for the shot, the screen is tiny. The last item on my wish list is an electronic shutter option. Again, with the tripod shots, the initial "kick" of the shutter can induce some vibration, especially when use 200mm and longer. As a 'M' and using the camera as a traditional rangefinder, I like the M-240 / M-P. It's when I go outside of that box that the camera can really frustrate me. I've pretty much given up on the M's live view use a Sony A7II instead. I prefer the M, but for the long lenses, Live View and EVF use, the Sony is much better. My hope is that Leica gets the M's live view implemented properly and then I can sell the Sony and just just one camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsphotomac Posted October 12, 2015 Share #26 Posted October 12, 2015 I have M9 and MM and love them. But better sensors, fasfer processors, higher iso and lower noise. But still more mechnical shutters. More weather prooffing and tougher body. OVF should support wider lens, 24 and 21 without external viewfinder. Voigtlander did on the Bessa bodies. Nicer lcd display and movable and maybe touch screen. Maybe add 5 Axis Stabilzation, but keep the controls simple and changable. Or maybe make one that can be both color and true b&w with raw. Jump up to 40 or megapixels. Just some simple things. Remove video for us still photographers and us that process power for faster stills. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 12, 2015 Share #27 Posted October 12, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Remove video for us still photographers and us that process power for faster stills. I'm no fan of video, which is why it's disabled (along with LV) on my M with a simple menu click....and no slowing down or interference with 'traditional' RF photography. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest )-( Posted October 12, 2015 Share #28 Posted October 12, 2015 I can't get past thinking what the price will be for any new M. The M246, here in Australia, retails for AUD $10,500. Assuming a new camera is North of that figure, yikes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 12, 2015 Author Share #29 Posted October 12, 2015 I can't get past thinking what the price will be for any new M. The M246, here in Australia, retails for AUD $10,500. Assuming a new camera is North of that figure, yikes. Not necessarily. The M(240) was slightly cheaper than the M9 on release, and was cheaper than the Monochrom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted October 12, 2015 Share #30 Posted October 12, 2015 For the next M camera I'd like to read the specs and have my jaw hit the floor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 12, 2015 Share #31 Posted October 12, 2015 I would not expect a come back of the optical Visoflex which is now obsolete for ever i believe so both live view and EVF should be retained as well as video IMHO. They should be significantly faster which is not incompatible with a mechanical shutter as proven by the Leica Q. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted October 12, 2015 Share #32 Posted October 12, 2015 I would not expect a come back of the optical Visoflex which is now obsolete for ever i believe so both live view and EVF should be retained as well as video IMHO. They should be significantly faster which is not incompatible with a mechanical shutter as proven by the Leica Q. I agree.... I'm one of the people who used video on M240 just to verify that it works... but I think that keeping it, almost as is, is not so costly and gives an addon which someone, even if a "classic" user, can appreciate time to time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted October 12, 2015 Share #33 Posted October 12, 2015 I recommend the OVF over the EVF PS: The video on the M240 is surprisingly good and useful to have as a secondary function Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted October 12, 2015 Share #34 Posted October 12, 2015 Remove video for us still photographers and us that process power for faster stills. There is absolutely nothing to be gained from removing video. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithlaban.co.uk Posted October 12, 2015 Share #35 Posted October 12, 2015 I recommend the OVF over the EVF I'm thankful it has both, in fact I wouldn't be using it if it didn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayewing Posted October 12, 2015 Share #36 Posted October 12, 2015 There is absolutely nothing to be gained from removing video. I do not understand the obsession with removing video which I understand adds little or nothing to either cost or bulk of the camera. I am primarily a stills photographer but on odd occasionns - children's antics, social occasions and the like - being able to take a short video clip is really convenient. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adli Posted October 12, 2015 Share #37 Posted October 12, 2015 There is absolutely nothing to be gained from removing video. I never use video. I don't care if the software supports video, but I would like to reprogram the video button to do something useful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted October 12, 2015 Share #38 Posted October 12, 2015 I agree.... I'm one of the people who used video on M240 just to verify that it works... but I think that keeping it, almost as is, is not so costly and gives an addon which someone, even if a "classic" user, can appreciate time to time. REMOVING the video would be a deal breaker for me. Being able to produce high quality clips (or extended talking head interviews) has been invaluable for enabling me to respond to client needs without having to carry two camera systems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adli Posted October 12, 2015 Share #39 Posted October 12, 2015 REMOVING the video would be a deal breaker for me... I would not worry about that, will not happend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted October 12, 2015 Share #40 Posted October 12, 2015 What will be new: new EVF new processor new sensor, with better dynamic range and ISO performance better start up user programmable buttons thinner lighter lower price (a bit). I would like to see, but it will not happen, the interface of the T camera on a M camera. This implies no buttons! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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