lct Posted September 27, 2015 Share #41 Posted September 27, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well i like 75mm lenses as well but Leica users have been using 90mm lenses for portraiture since the fiveties, including Summicron 90/2 v1, v2 & v3 before the apo and i can hardly recall that we needed any compromise then. As far as i recall, the 75/1.4 appeared in 1980 because it was not possible to get a 90/1.4 lens, more so than to get an intermediary focal length between 50mm and 90mm... What some of us did not like at all was the 75mm framelines of the M4-P and later bodies but it is another story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Adam Posted September 27, 2015 Share #42 Posted September 27, 2015 Well i like 75mm lenses as well but Leica users have been using 90mm lenses for portraiture since the fiveties, including Summicron 90/2 v1, v2 & v3 before the apo and i can hardly recall that we needed any compromise then. As far as i recall, the 75/1.4 appeared in 1980 because it was not possible to get a 90/1.4 lens, more so than to get an intermediary focal length between 50mm and 90mm... What some of us did not like at all was the 75mm framelines of the M4-P and later bodies but it is another story. Oh, I did not mean to say that 90mm is bad. For one 90 is less intrusive than 75, and there have been situations where I would have preferred it. Overall however 75mm suits me better, but that is just personal experience. It is also a good compromise between 50 and 90, provided you need to make that compromise. I had to because I cannot afford all three in one go. But obviously, the best thing is to have all three if your needs are such. One day I might For me the framelines are not an issue since I only have the 75mm so I do not get confused. But I can see that if you have both 50 and 75 this might be a problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted September 27, 2015 Share #43 Posted September 27, 2015 Leica users have been using 90mm lenses for portraiture since the fiveties After 65 years of shooting 90mm lenses, even a 85mm would be an amazing breath of fresh air ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
douglas fry Posted September 27, 2015 Author Share #44 Posted September 27, 2015 What about using an EVF2 on top of the M? You'd get a nice clear view of the subject, but with the typical LV delay. Although most portrait sitters won't be moving much if at all Anyone with experience of using the 90 with an EVF2? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted September 27, 2015 Share #45 Posted September 27, 2015 It's good to know that you aren't selective with your rudeness on the forum. If indeed you never took classes, would that make me rude or would it make you a liar? I guess it is unimportant. But what is important is to skip taking close-up portraits with a 50mm lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graphlex Posted September 27, 2015 Share #46 Posted September 27, 2015 My experience with the 90 AA is that it is superb for landscapes. It would also be superb for portraits of people you detest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted September 27, 2015 Share #47 Posted September 27, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) If indeed you never took classes, would that make me rude or would it make you a liar? I guess it is unimportant. But what is important is to skip taking close-up portraits with a 50mm lens. In my opinion you are rude. Period. Why? Because your tone is wholly unnecessary and ad hominem. This is so regardless of the classroom issue. I am sure the original post was written using the classroom as a figure of speech. You pounced on the writer and now have pounced again. Why? Do you have a need to show your superiority? All you are showing is that you are not a very nice person. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted September 27, 2015 Share #48 Posted September 27, 2015 Following rules, all rules, is for those who like or need to be 'pigeon holed'. ie. restricted! As soon as I hear someone say, don't, never, you must not, etc ... I am immediately tempted to break that 'rule'. It works for me, as long as I am up to the challenge. ie. breaking rules is fine, but one still needs talent to do it, just as talent is needed to follow rules. My general experience is that following the pack just makes you one of the pack. To be different, you may need to break away and break some rule or other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted September 27, 2015 Share #49 Posted September 27, 2015 If indeed you never took classes, would that make me rude or would it make you a liar? I guess it is unimportant. But what is important is to skip taking close-up portraits with a 50mm lens. There is much I could take issue with here, if facts were the issue, but they are not. The fact that your expressed attitude is unacceptable is the issue. Argue whatever bit of gear that you wish, but desist from personal slights to forum members. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted September 28, 2015 Share #50 Posted September 28, 2015 Anyone with experience of using the 90 with an EVF2? I tried. But given the several drawbacks: - High lag - Magnification of center only - Low resolution - Horrible ergonomics ...I gave up. I now use the EVF only to frame ultra wides. All long lenses stay on the A7R2 which solves all the above problems and adds nice features such as IBIS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted September 28, 2015 Share #51 Posted September 28, 2015 90mm cron. terrible lens for portraits. I use mine for exactly that, all the time. FGP00405.jpg by Gordon Cahill, on Flickr FGP00401.jpg by Gordon Cahill, on Flickr Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berlinman Posted September 28, 2015 Share #52 Posted September 28, 2015 I tried. But given the several drawbacks: - High lag - Magnification of center only - Low resolution - Horrible ergonomics ...I gave up. I now use the EVF only to frame ultra wides. All long lenses stay on the A7R2 which solves all the above problems and adds nice features such as IBIS. I had the same experience, but after a longer time of training I use the EVF a lot with 1,4/75, 90AA. 135APO (and WATE, 24).No problems with focus accuracy, but the lag is a big issue. For me the biggest problem with the EVF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
douglas fry Posted September 28, 2015 Author Share #53 Posted September 28, 2015 I suppose the lag wouldn't make any difference at all with the portraits that Gordon posted above, perhaps with the odd blink etc but otherwise it might be just something to live with. BTW Gordon, how were you focussing the images? (nice shots btw, highlight all the benefits of the crystal clarity of the 90mm summicron). Im guessing too they weren't shot at F2? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted September 28, 2015 Share #54 Posted September 28, 2015 I love focal lengths longer than 50mm but I only use that on my R8 or S... or to make it easier, only on SLR's not on rangefinder camera's... But for everything 50mm or lower I prefer a rangefinder... I extensively use the Leica R8 with the 80mm Summilux-R 1.4 and I love it, shoot it wide open quite often. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 28, 2015 Share #55 Posted September 28, 2015 I had the same experience, but after a longer time of training I use the EVF a lot with 1,4/75, 90AA. 135APO (and WATE, 24). No problems with focus accuracy, but the lag is a big issue. For me the biggest problem with the EVF. Lag before or after the shot? I find the lag before acceptable, the lag after the shot quite annoying, but it only impairs shooting in dynamic situations. If it is really a problem, it only proves the M is an RF camera, not an EVIL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyman Posted September 28, 2015 Share #56 Posted September 28, 2015 Douglas did you mean tht you wish to shoot tightly framed head shots with the lens at maximum aperture? Certainly there is not much DoF to be had in that scenario.. I like the APO 75 very much for portraits and have used the Elmarit M 90 quite a bit there too. However, for my taste and in my experience f/4 provides the DoF I want and I haven't had any issues there with several M digital cameras. I find the rangefinder a more precise and responsive option than the EVF certainly too. The 50 Summilux ASPH can certainly give you great results as well. You may like to try framing less tightly and cropping as you wish in that instance. Your M has plenty in reserve to do that from well focused and exposed originals of course. For the last year, I have worked nearly entirely with the S2 and or in studio where I typically stop down more. However, if interested you are welcome to browse portraiture that I have done here. http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/cp S files are prefixed with that but I think most photos with the M system have the equipment info there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted September 28, 2015 Share #57 Posted September 28, 2015 Lag before or after the shot? I find the lag before acceptable The lag before the shot. I don't find it acceptable. The lag after the shot is really annoying for fast sequences where you are interacting with the subject. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiftyonepointsix Posted September 28, 2015 Share #58 Posted September 28, 2015 Never use a 50mm lens for tight portraits. Basic stuff. The 90 is indeed frustrating to use. As you say; some days its exceltional and some others it's hellish. You are certainly wrong about this. Why would anyone listen to such advice, or anything else that this person has to state is beyond me. He is nothing but Rude, and incompetent- gets banned from site after site just to return to another with rude and obnoxious behavior.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
douglas fry Posted September 28, 2015 Author Share #59 Posted September 28, 2015 Thanks Geoff Sage advice, I am a professional photographer, so probably not tight head shots to be honest, but its handy at a wedding to shoot at F2 for isolation of the subject, commercial subjects need to offer more depth at F4, etc... I'm used to Canon 1DX's so blasting away with an 85mm at F1.2 was easy (and unsatisfying) and much prefer reverting back to my Leica lenses, from my M6's days..I just need to slow down and be more zen, with so far great results although more practice required Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/250479-the-90mm-summicron-apo-for-portraits/?do=findComment&comment=2895773'>More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted September 28, 2015 Share #60 Posted September 28, 2015 I suppose the lag wouldn't make any difference at all with the portraits that Gordon posted above, perhaps with the odd blink etc but otherwise it might be just something to live with. BTW Gordon, how were you focussing the images? (nice shots btw, highlight all the benefits of the crystal clarity of the 90mm summicron). Im guessing too they weren't shot at F2? These were shot at f3.5. I have some f2 stuff but not on Flickr at the moment. F3.5 suited the brief from the client. Got to love Leicas exposure guess. I have one that looks the same with exif recording the aperture as f11.5!!! Focusing was done with the rangefinder. My 90mm cron is spot on with both my type 240's and I have no hesitation using the RF for any of my lenses (although I do use the EVF (with no problems) for wides and when precise framing is required). I had a flash trigger in the hotshoe and a single 16 inch beauty dish (socked) to camera right on very low power. I did trash a few shots where the focus was off but that was my fault not the cameras. Some days these tired old eyes take a few frames to get into the groove. Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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