JHAG Posted September 24, 2015 Share #1 Posted September 24, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Same old debate. I've made pictures of a well-renowned Young British Artist. I agreed to send him one of them as a gift. Now his British gallery asks if they coud use it in their promotional stuff, with proper ©. Pondering the fee, though… Any advice ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 24, 2015 Posted September 24, 2015 Hi JHAG, Take a look here Client or gift ?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
stuny Posted September 24, 2015 Share #2 Posted September 24, 2015 I haven't a clue, but you'll need to give them one-time rights for specific purposes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHAG Posted September 25, 2015 Author Share #3 Posted September 25, 2015 Of course, thank you, Stuny. I simply don't know what kind of fee it entails in the UK. I've sold images in France and Belgium only, and cannot seem to find reliable information googling it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted September 25, 2015 Share #4 Posted September 25, 2015 Hi, Firstly, has the issue of a fee been mentioned at all so far? I ask this because they may well be expecting to get the image for free, and then any amount you ask for will seem excessive! Assuming that they are expecting to have to pay for using the image, then it's really just a matter for you to decide what you want for it - there's no 'standard' pricing, but just base it on the prices you mention in France/Belguim. Given that you already have the image there's no additional cost to you, so if it were me I'd probably ask for something in the region of £250-£500 for their own promotional purposes. Is that in line with what you are thinking? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted September 25, 2015 Share #5 Posted September 25, 2015 An alternative suggestion: ask them what they normally pay for such rights in the UK. You might be surprised or enlightened with the reply. You have little to lose unless you intend to market such material in the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHAG Posted September 25, 2015 Author Share #6 Posted September 25, 2015 Thank you all, Yes, James, that's more or less my intention. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted September 28, 2015 Share #7 Posted September 28, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) It was your gift to the artist. The gallery - which is in the bidniss of making money - must pay for its use. Standard rates apply (whatever they are). This is only reasonable. That would be how I would handle it. If anyone has access to fotoquote ( http://www.cradocfotosoftware.com/fotoQuote-Pro/ ) that may help figure out what to charge the gallery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHAG Posted October 5, 2015 Author Share #8 Posted October 5, 2015 Now, it's funny. Gallery never replied. I have no way to double-check they won't do any usage of my picture behind my back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted October 5, 2015 Share #9 Posted October 5, 2015 I would say they were expecting you to supply for free, as I said! Maybe chase them up, just a call to enquire if they will be needing the image? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotoism Posted October 5, 2015 Share #10 Posted October 5, 2015 I agree with the comment above that it was your gift to the artist, but anyone else associated with him trying to use it for business purpose is altogether another story. You may even want to hint that you always expect reasonable compensation for such purposes so they would think twice before sneaking behind your back using your work without paying a penny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHAG Posted October 8, 2015 Author Share #11 Posted October 8, 2015 Yes. Anyway, gallery doesn't reply anymore. I have no way to control this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted October 8, 2015 Share #12 Posted October 8, 2015 IMO, Don't ask what their budget is. If they need it, they need it: State your price. It also doesn't come across well if you don't know the value of your work - An experienced copyright/relicense negotiator will smell that a mile off and take advantage of it, but just as bad, it can and sometimes really does come across as you wanting to squeeze every last penny out of them, turning them off you altogether. From much experience, the greatest turn over from relicensing comes when you state the price with confidence. What that value is you, what it is worth to you, what it would cost to have it shot from scratch, time in fetching from archive and needing to perform any adjustments/exporting etc, and of corse depends on the usage. If you haven't heard from them, they don't want to spend money on it. By their opening statement "for the proper ©" is pretty standard statement for "never intended to pay for it". Hey, at least they asked and didn't just take it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHAG Posted October 8, 2015 Author Share #13 Posted October 8, 2015 IMO, Don't ask what their budget is. If they need it, they need it: State your price. It also doesn't come across well if you don't know the value of your work - An experienced copyright/relicense negotiator will smell that a mile off and take advantage of it, but just as bad, it can and sometimes really does come across as you wanting to squeeze every last penny out of them, turning them off you altogether. From much experience, the greatest turn over from relicensing comes when you state the price with confidence. What that value is you, what it is worth to you, what it would cost to have it shot from scratch, time in fetching from archive and needing to perform any adjustments/exporting etc, and of corse depends on the usage. If you haven't heard from them, they don't want to spend money on it. By their opening statement "for the proper ©" is pretty standard statement for "never intended to pay for it". Hey, at least they asked and didn't just take it. I know all of this and my communication with them was : 1. This image is not copyright free 2. My price is 250 £ for a single usage (a promotion leaflet for clients) 3. They never replied What I say is I have no control whatsoever on the usage they could of my pictures without me knowing anything about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted October 12, 2015 Share #14 Posted October 12, 2015 ...What I say is I have no control whatsoever on the usage they could of my pictures without me knowing anything about it. A person cannot make another person/corporation/business/entity or whatever not steal their images. A person can make the thief regret it, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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