IkarusJohn Posted October 4, 2015 Share #1461 Posted October 4, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Always a good idea to take pictures ... far better than speculation. True. However, speculation is like unraveling a puzzle when you have almost no pieces. Complaining about speculation, I don't get. I guess it's dark in Winchester, so there are no pictures to take; but there are other threads, surely, which don't irritate? I'm heading off skiing, and wondering which cameras to take I have an apology to Jaap, or rather, and acknowledgement that he was right. Some time ago, in another thread, far far away, I said that I didn't need a second battery for my M60 because it has huge capacity, and it never gets turned on accidentally. Twice in a row, I've picked up my camera to find it dead! Now, with such a huge battery, I don't see buying a second battery just because the switch goes on. That seems to be an easy, but philosophically and financially bad solution. Gaffer tape is likely to be the solution ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hoppyman Posted October 4, 2015 Share #1462 Posted October 4, 2015 Assuming the SL is a new mirrorless camera with AF and a mount that is not the M mount, it would have little to do with the M system. Having said that its introduction could actually strengthen the position of the M as a rangefinder camera. Those who want the M to become something it isn’t would have an alternative within Leica’s portfolio and could stop pestering Leica to mess with the M. Informed and accurate I am sure. As with the related SL thread in the S Forum, I suspect that the discussion might have been more focused if the SL was not discussed as a replacement for either system. Rather it will be something entirely new, an additional option for Leica users, while still allowing for the use of other Leica lenses with adapters. Sounds very positive to me. As a user of the M cameras & now primarily the S2, to MJH's last comment I would add, stop pestering Leica to change the S with an EVF as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
semi-ambivalent Posted October 4, 2015 Share #1463 Posted October 4, 2015 a slow striptease of the M8 Only here... s-a Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted October 4, 2015 Share #1464 Posted October 4, 2015 As a user of the M cameras & now primarily the S2, to MJH's last comment I would add, stop pestering Leica to change the S with an EVF as well why would anyone in their right mind want to change the best ever anywhere ovf of the S to and EVF is behond me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted October 4, 2015 Share #1465 Posted October 4, 2015 "a slow striptease..." Only here... s-a Well, a slow striptease is good for us old guys. Gives us plenty of time to, ugh, sit up, pay attention, and habituate to something new. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Helm Posted October 5, 2015 Share #1466 Posted October 5, 2015 We will get a truly, unexpected move from Leica: Fast, everready, small, instant net access, selfie mode, possiblity to sneak it into even dark theaters, i e: The Leicaphone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jozsa Posted October 5, 2015 Share #1467 Posted October 5, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) The new camera wil be called Leica SL, will be different to the M Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted October 5, 2015 Share #1468 Posted October 5, 2015 We will get a truly, unexpected move from Leica: Fast, everready, small, instant net access, selfie mode, possiblity to sneak it into even dark theaters, i e: The Leicaphone I've already got one, it's called Panasonic Lumix TZ60/ZS40. Leica lens equiv 24-720mm. Get some great theater/rock concert shots with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted October 6, 2015 Share #1469 Posted October 6, 2015 I'm quite interested to see this new camera system and hope Leica brings some worthwhile cine/motion to the table with the new platform, something that has been somewhat lacking in Leica's portfolio. This really could be the ideal platform for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted October 6, 2015 Share #1470 Posted October 6, 2015 You know, this could be the camera that puts Leica back in pro hands. Sure the Canon 5DIII plus the great Canon lens catalog will stand for quite a while. And, Nikon and its lens catalog is awesome for pro use. But, if this whole genesis is headed to smaller mirrorless systems, then somebody needs to step in an produce a new pro system based on the much predicted mirrorless evolution. Nobody has a mirrorless FF pro system with great lenses yet. Maybe Leica can regain this market with the first pro mirrorless system before Canon and Nikon can turn their big ships around. Maybe, Canon and Nikon will be the Leica of the 1960's that just would not give up their dominant system. Maybe, Leica can beat Canon and Nikon to the punch this time, if, and this is the big if... Leica can deliver mechanics, optics and leading technology. This could be the first pro mirrorless system to compete against Canon and Nikon for the pro market. I could sure get behind having a system like this (in addition to my M). I have to say I miss my DSLR system, but not the weight or complexity and haptic. I believe something designed with the S gestalt would be embrased by the pro market. I hope Leica can bring leading technology to a system like what I imagine this to be. Exciting times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatkob Posted October 6, 2015 Share #1471 Posted October 6, 2015 My guess is that no matter how good the camera is, the cost alone will keep it out of most pro hands. It's likely to be really expensive compared to Canon/Nikon/Sony. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skimmel Posted October 6, 2015 Share #1472 Posted October 6, 2015 Not sure if this was noted already, but 4/3rds Rumors site, in discussing future for Pannasonic, writes: "What’s Panasonic is also doing: 1) Strenghten the partnership with Leica and make many parts of their new Leica SL T-mount Full Frame mirrorless autofocus camera.: If this is true, then the new "SL" will have a T-mount. This would make a lot of sense to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freitz Posted October 6, 2015 Share #1473 Posted October 6, 2015 Not sure if this was noted already, but 4/3rds Rumors site, in discussing future for Pannasonic, writes: "What’s Panasonic is also doing: 1) Strenghten the partnership with Leica and make many parts of their new Leica SL T-mount Full Frame mirrorless autofocus camera.: If this is true, then the new "SL" will have a T-mount. This would make a lot of sense to me. Interesting - esp. with the rumor of discontinuing the current T. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTI Posted October 6, 2015 Share #1474 Posted October 6, 2015 And also whether the would be incarnation will see a "Made in Germany" denomination. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freitz Posted October 6, 2015 Share #1475 Posted October 6, 2015 And also whether the would be incarnation will see a "Made in Germany" denomination. Seems crazy that this wouldn't have that. Esp. since its not on the lower end of the cost spectrum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBHewee Posted October 6, 2015 Share #1476 Posted October 6, 2015 Here is the question I'm asking myself. As a happy T owner, would I see myself going for a SL if it had the T mount. Or would I consider buying SL lenses for my T? The T to me is a relatively reasonable option from a cost and size perspective, and from everything I've heard it sounds like the SL body will be expensive and lenses will be big and expensive. Doesn't that contradict the ethos of the T? So if I never use the T lenses on the SL, because I won't buy another expensive body, and the T lenses won't be making use of the FF sensor, and if I never want to purchase big and expensive lenses for my existing T body, is there really any sense in sharing a mount, apart from economies of scale for Leica? This is obviously my personal take on it, and others may see some advantages, but I fail to see them right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted October 6, 2015 Share #1477 Posted October 6, 2015 And also whether the would be incarnation will see a "Made in Germany" denomination. Unless Leica has decided to use Diesel engines as focus motors I fail to see any reason to omit the ‘Made in Germany’ label. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 6, 2015 Share #1478 Posted October 6, 2015 Interesting - esp. with the rumor of discontinuing the current T. Who knows, but that's why they call it a Rumour site. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 6, 2015 Share #1479 Posted October 6, 2015 Not sure if this was noted already, but 4/3rds Rumors site, in discussing future for Pannasonic, writes: "What’s Panasonic is also doing: 1) Strenghten the partnership with Leica and make many parts of their new Leica SL T-mount Full Frame mirrorless autofocus camera.: If this is true, then the new "SL" will have a T-mount. This would make a lot of sense to me. Who knows, but that's why they call it a Rumour site. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted October 6, 2015 Share #1480 Posted October 6, 2015 .... is there really any sense in sharing a mount, apart from economies of scale for Leica? .... Not many... your analisys is correct : supposed that the mount is the T one, T lenses probably could work but in "crop mode" ... and SL FF lenses will be too heavy and costly for the cropped T sensor; but the T mount is here and is the only proprietary Leica mount with facilities for AF... if it is was designed smartly (to say, with no limitations for FF) is an important investiment that has been DONE and is WORKING,,, the inter-compatibility between the two platform is a collateral effect, and a plus for just some users. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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