jaapv Posted June 4, 2015 Author Share #361 Posted June 4, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) If so, probably a development with improved firmware. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mornnb Posted June 4, 2015 Share #362 Posted June 4, 2015 So, ISO 50000, does this mean it will not be the M240 sensor??? Yes. The sensor the M240 is using has a physical limit of ISO 3200. Which is pushed in firmware to ISO 6400. So, to deliver ISO 50000 it will need to be either an updated CMOSIS sensor or a Sony sensor. Given that it will need to do autofocus through the sensor (probably by using phase AF sensors if best in class AF is desired) and that it doesn't need to handle the extreme ray angles of M lenses, means that I'm guessing it's an off the shelf Sony sensor. Using such a mass produced sensor would also be a positive thing in terms of keeping the unit costs lower. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted June 4, 2015 Share #363 Posted June 4, 2015 A Sony sensor with a fixed focal length Leica (not Panasonic) lens would be very attractive. Think of the magic that a Sony/Leica combination could create. Ah well, not going to happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted June 4, 2015 Share #364 Posted June 4, 2015 Hmm, what would make me unhappy with what I currently have? Until my M9 died, my track record has been FM2 (new in 1988) and F5 (new in 1999?). Apart from the stupid blind alleys of the A7r and D800E (I don't know what I was thinking), I think it's a safe bet. I'm off the hook if Leica can't/won't fix it to my satisfaction - M8 coffee stain LCD and M9 corrosion (I don't think I should be forced to accept the continuation of faulty components). Let's make it a bottle of Grange Hermitage, couriered. No couriers allowed. I stand by my prediction. I am basing it on your M60 purchase and your utterly legitimate quest for image quality. To make it more interesting, I am willing to say 5 years, and if in 5 years time, you have not bought another Leica digital I will come to New Zealand (always wanted to go there anyhow) and present you with either coffee or wine (but maybe not Grange Hermitage if I have to pay my way to NZ ). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreasAM Posted June 4, 2015 Share #365 Posted June 4, 2015 Yes. The sensor the M240 is using has a physical limit of ISO 3200. Which is pushed in firmware to ISO 6400. So, to deliver ISO 50000 it will need to be either an updated CMOSIS sensor or a Sony sensor. Given that it will need to do autofocus through the sensor (probably by using phase AF sensors if best in class AF is desired) and that it doesn't need to handle the extreme ray angles of M lenses, means that I'm guessing it's an off the shelf Sony sensor. Using such a mass produced sensor would also be a positive thing in terms of keeping the unit costs lower. The updated Sony A7 II has a ISO-range up to 25.600. So they have to squeeze one stop more out of this sensor (if they use it) with the new software and Maestro II. Is this feasible? It has also only 5 fps, instead of the quoted 10 fps for the Q. Some big discrepancies here. Question about the choice of sensor or about the stated specs from Digicam-rumor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted June 4, 2015 Share #366 Posted June 4, 2015 Any reason why the new sensor might not be made by CMOSIS? dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreasAM Posted June 4, 2015 Share #367 Posted June 4, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) No reason, but Mornnb was weighing the possibility of it being a Sony sensor, because the huge step in ISO-performance. If it were to be a CMOSIS sensor there would be an extended range from 6.400 to 50.000 (3 stops improvement I believe) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted June 4, 2015 Share #368 Posted June 4, 2015 So, ISO 50000, does this mean it will not be the M240 sensor??? Most likely A Sony in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 4, 2015 Author Share #369 Posted June 4, 2015 ISO performance is not only a function of sensor design, software plays an important role as well. For instance, some Nikon cameras had better ISO performance using the same sensor that Sony used in their own camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted June 4, 2015 Share #370 Posted June 4, 2015 Sensor wafer 20% Firmware 80% Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xspider Posted June 4, 2015 Share #371 Posted June 4, 2015 And another one from the back side... https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=385144825026940&id=348116495396440 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreasAM Posted June 4, 2015 Share #372 Posted June 4, 2015 And another one from the back side... https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=385144825026940&id=348116495396440 Well, this is interesting! There is a lot going on there on the back and top. Looks crowded. Shutterspeed dial up to 1/2000 and a "-" means a combined setting for 1/2000 and1/4000? The same goes for the 1 second setting looks like 1+ Do the graphics/mechanics not allow more settings? Elongated EVF, for better viewing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted June 4, 2015 Share #373 Posted June 4, 2015 And another one from the back side... https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=385144825026940&id=348116495396440 A lot of M DNA in there. I wonder about the oval eyepiece. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted June 4, 2015 Share #374 Posted June 4, 2015 A lot of M DNA in there. I wonder about the oval eyepiece. One opening for the RF and one for the viewfinder? :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreasAM Posted June 4, 2015 Share #375 Posted June 4, 2015 The lens has some features from the X-vario; -AF/MF setting and -macro setting -Aperture ring So this leaves an extra dial on the top, functioning like the T, setting flexible. Nice! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreasAM Posted June 4, 2015 Share #376 Posted June 4, 2015 It looks like Leica is using this camera to test the waters for a lot of new features/design-options for a new generation of camera's (M,T and a Q with interchangeable lenses) in the future. Promising Perhaps a bit premature, but this camera is therefore a bit of a design mismatch, lacks the clear design concept of the T or that of an M. But it will undoubtedly take beautiful images and will function great Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted June 4, 2015 Share #377 Posted June 4, 2015 What would be the purpose of the first ring on top of the lens then? I really hope it is ISO control. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebf Posted June 4, 2015 Share #378 Posted June 4, 2015 I really hope it is ISO control. Looks like it's the "MACRO" selector. (context: https://www.facebook.com/npcphoto2011/photos/pcb.385144825026940/385144778360278/?type=1&theater) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted June 4, 2015 Share #379 Posted June 4, 2015 Looks like it's the "MACRO" selector. Yup. Just noticed the usual nonsense ISO button on the back of the camera Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted June 4, 2015 Share #380 Posted June 4, 2015 No couriers allowed. I stand by my prediction. I am basing it on your M60 purchase and your utterly legitimate quest for image quality. To make it more interesting, I am willing to say 5 years, and if in 5 years time, you have not bought another Leica digital I will come to New Zealand (always wanted to go there anyhow) and present you with either coffee or wine (but maybe not Grange Hermitage if I have to pay my way to NZ ). If you make it down to NZ, Al, the least I can do is pour you something better than coffee (though the coffee is very good) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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