sveinp Posted March 21, 2015 Share #1 Posted March 21, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I am in a process considering to trade my M9-P for a M-P (240). Anyone who could share some experiences with the M (240) in combination with the Nocti f1 when it comes to rendering? sveinp Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Herr Barnack Posted April 4, 2015 Share #2 Posted April 4, 2015 I have used my f/1 Noctilux with my M240 and am quite happy with the results it produces - I can't see how files from the M-P would be any different, given that both cameras have the same sensor. The M240 and f/1 Noctilux combo will present you with the same challenges that the Noctilux always presents, extremely shallow DoF at f/1, requiring very careful focusing. The using the f/1 on an M240 presents benefits and opportunities for processing that are absent when shooting the f/1 on a film body. Photoshop and/or Lightroom give you infinite control in processing; the ability to use sharpening is a godsend when processing Noctilux based files. The key is to have the judgement and restraint to not overuse the processing tools. Heavy handed manipulation will wreck a file, particularly one shot with a Noctilux. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted April 4, 2015 Share #3 Posted April 4, 2015 I have used my f/1 Noctilux with my M240 and am quite happy with the results it produces - I can't see how files from the M-P would be any different, given that both cameras have the same sensor. The M240 and f/1 Noctilux combo will present you with the same challenges that the Noctilux always presents, extremely shallow DoF at f/1, requiring very careful focusing. The using the f/1 on an M240 presents benefits and opportunities for processing that are absent when shooting the f/1 on a film body. Photoshop and/or Lightroom give you infinite control in processing; the ability to use sharpening is a godsend when processing Noctilux based files. The key is to have the judgement and restraint to not overuse the processing tools. Heavy handed manipulation will wreck a file, particularly one shot with a Noctilux. Read his post again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted April 5, 2015 Share #4 Posted April 5, 2015 Unless I am mistaken, the M9-P and M240 have very different sensors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted April 5, 2015 Share #5 Posted April 5, 2015 Unless I am mistaken, the M9-P and M240 have very different sensors. True. The M9 has a CCD sensor; the M 240 and M-P 240 both have a CMOS sensor (I am aware of this). What I was saying is that the M 240 and the M-P 240 have the same sensor: I have used my f/1 Noctilux with my M240 and am quite happy with the results it produces - I can't see how files from the M-P would be any different, given that both cameras have the same sensor... I'm not sure where the confusion came from... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mornnb Posted April 5, 2015 Share #6 Posted April 5, 2015 I don't have first hand experience with the M9, however the CCD sensor and the CMOS sensor are known to have slightly different colour rendering, you can see that demonstrated on this site, with a Sony A7R thrown in as well: Leica M240 vs M9 vs Sony A7R Lens Combination Review » D!RK True. The M9 has a CCD sensor; the M 240 and M-P 240 both have a CMOS sensor (I am aware of this). What I was saying is that the M 240 and the M-P 240 have the same sensor: I'm not sure where the confusion came from... He was referring to the M9-P not the M240-P. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted April 5, 2015 Share #7 Posted April 5, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Sveinp was referring to his M9-P, which I understood. His question was about the M 240, which I was referring to. I still don't understand how we got off in the ditch on this one... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mornnb Posted April 5, 2015 Share #8 Posted April 5, 2015 He's asking about upgrading from a M9-P to a M240-P... You missed this one line. 'I am in a process considering to trade my M9-P for a M-P (240). ' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted April 5, 2015 Share #9 Posted April 5, 2015 True. The M9 has a CCD sensor; the M 240 and M-P 240 both have a CMOS sensor (I am aware of this). What I was saying is that the M 240 and the M-P 240 have the same sensor: I'm not sure where the confusion came from... He is not comparing the M-240 with the MP-240. He is upgrading from the M-9 to the MP-240. Big difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted April 5, 2015 Share #10 Posted April 5, 2015 He is not comparing the M-240 with the MP-240.He is upgrading from the M-9 to the MP-240. Big difference. Thats it.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted April 5, 2015 Share #11 Posted April 5, 2015 As expected the older Mandler lenses such as the 1.0 Noctilux render beautifully on the M240 with those lovely soft pastel colours, soft contrast, and subtle toning. I'm away on holidays in Noosa (Queensland, Australia) and brought my Noctilux. My Summilux 50 ASPH is away for what has again proven to be a disgracefully long turnaround time. I'm led to believe that repair times have actually increased since moving to their new home! The first evening we arrived I stuck the 1.0/50 on the M240 and headed out for a walk along the beach for a few hours. M240, 1.0/50 Noctilux (v3) Minimal PP as I've only got my MBP with me. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/242597-m-p-nocti-f1/?do=findComment&comment=2792800'>More sharing options...
MarkP Posted April 5, 2015 Share #12 Posted April 5, 2015 et nocte? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I should also add that the EVF used with the Noctilux used wide open and/or in low light allows one to overcome focus shift and nail focus almost every time. Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I should also add that the EVF used with the Noctilux used wide open and/or in low light allows one to overcome focus shift and nail focus almost every time. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/242597-m-p-nocti-f1/?do=findComment&comment=2792802'>More sharing options...
MarkP Posted April 5, 2015 Share #13 Posted April 5, 2015 This is the one I meant to post. Subtle differences. [ATTACH]492294[/ATTACH] Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/242597-m-p-nocti-f1/?do=findComment&comment=2792809'>More sharing options...
rirakuma Posted April 5, 2015 Share #14 Posted April 5, 2015 I used to dislike my nocti but I've recently re educated myself and found love for it again. I don't think you will find much difference in rendering between the M9 and M as they're both full frame but you might see differences in color palette in the sensor. Some samples wide open except for the last one. I think that was at f4, as you can see it cleans up quite nicely but I've never liked it for landscapes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted April 5, 2015 Share #15 Posted April 5, 2015 et nocte? <snip> I should also add that the EVF used with the Noctilux used wide open and/or in low light allows one to overcome focus shift and nail focus almost every time. Thanks for posting that, Mark - I have not used my EVF with my Noctilux so far. I have not been plagued with focus issues with my copy of the f/1 Nocti, but using the EVF for focusing is a good technique to have in your photographic tool kit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted April 6, 2015 Share #16 Posted April 6, 2015 Thanks for posting that, Mark - I have not used my EVF with my Noctilux so far. I have not been plagued with focus issues with my copy of the f/1 Nocti, but using the EVF for focusing is a good technique to have in your photographic tool kit. Mine's not too bad either regarding focus shift but getting focus spot on in low light at f1.0-1.4 was always a challenge. Personally I tend to use my fast lenses backed off a stop or three if I can as I prefer just a bit more DOF and contrast, but it's always there for if/when I want it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted April 6, 2015 Share #17 Posted April 6, 2015 as you can see it cleans up quite nicely but I've never liked it for landscapes. Agreed, also not my first choice for landscapes, but it can deliver a 'reasonable' image at mid-aperture range : (sorry to those who have seen these before but they prove my point) http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/members/72811-albums5522.html (all but the seagull on the shower pole were shot with the 1.0/50 Noctilux) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted April 6, 2015 Share #18 Posted April 6, 2015 Agreed, also not my first choice for landscapes, but it can deliver a 'reasonable' image at mid-aperture range :(sorry to those who have seen these before but they prove my point) http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/members/72811-albums5522.html (all but the seagull on the shower pole were shot with the 1.0/50 Noctilux) I would have to say this one is far and away beyond being merely "reasonable" - http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/members/72811-albums5522-picture10124.html Some people don't like the Noctilux - in any of its several versions - for a variety of reasons, but the fact remains that it is a lens of prodigious capability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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