msendin Posted March 15, 2015 Share #1 Posted March 15, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Please, has this happened to anyone before? About a week ago in my M (type 240) Live View shuts down by itself after 2 to 10 seconds . - Firmware 2.0.1.5 - Auto power off: 2mn - Full battery - Have reset all values and taken battery out. - Happens the same with the external viewfinder or with the LCD alone Usually it is after 2 seconds so you cannot focus and take a single photo. Am I doing something silly or does it means a trip to Leica for repairment? Any suggestions? Thanks and regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lct Posted March 16, 2015 Share #2 Posted March 16, 2015 No idea sorry. Did you try to reset your camera? If you send your body in it could well be returned with the current firmware so perhaps you could try to update yours to the latter (2.0.1.7). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
msendin Posted March 16, 2015 Author Share #3 Posted March 16, 2015 Thanks Ict, I`ll try the software update, though I thought it was only an update with data of some new lenses. But it won´t hurt. to try. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted March 17, 2015 Share #4 Posted March 17, 2015 Definitely not normal with any firmware version. On many cameras, Live View is shut down with similar symptoms by the sensor overheating probe. But this does not happen in a matter of seconds. Try flashing the latest firmware and reset to factory defaults. If problems persist, exchange your camera for a working one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
msendin Posted March 18, 2015 Author Share #5 Posted March 18, 2015 Thanks I have found the problem and I will explain it in case it is useful for any other. As we know Leica M shuts down Live View when you remove the lense, I imagine to protect the sensor closing the shutter blades. I had a coded 24mm elmarit on the camera and lense detection on "automatic". One of the white code marks was pealed or dirty and wasnˋt fully white. The camera believed there was no lens and shuted down LV. When I mounted a non coded lense, the camera detected the lense and just showed "uncoded" and LV worked perfectly. I re-painted the three white code marks on the 24mm and everything seems to work fine again. LV also worked fine with the dirty marks of the 24mm if I turned lense detection to "off" or "manual" Conclusion (at least from my experience) With lense detection on "automatic". - You can use a coded or uncoded lense and LV works fine. - But if the lense has an unexisting code (wrong code), the camera decides there is no lense mounted and therefore shuts down live view. Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted March 18, 2015 Share #6 Posted March 18, 2015 This does not sound right. As of version 2.0.1.5 live view is possible even if no lens code is detected. This is the case when using a screw mounted lens with an old style adapter. I just tried that and it works well on mine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 18, 2015 Share #7 Posted March 18, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) ...if the lense has an unexisting code (wrong code), the camera decides there is no lense mounted and therefore shuts down live view... Never seen this on my M240 i must say. Wrong codes are read by the camera as uncoded lenses but this does not alter LV in any way. Only chances to get LV shutting down are to unmount the lens, to mount a body cap or to paint all the coding pits in black in my experience. Are you sure your coding pits were clean? Just curious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 19, 2015 Share #8 Posted March 19, 2015 This does not sound right. As of version 2.0.1.5 live view is possible even if no lens code is detected. This is the case when using a screw mounted lens with an old style adapter. I just tried that and it works well on mine. As I read it, the camera somehow decided there was no lens mounted, coded or uncoded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted March 19, 2015 Share #9 Posted March 19, 2015 As I read it, the camera somehow decided there was no lens mounted, coded or uncoded. I have performed a simple test. First, I mounted a third party lens with an old style LTM to M adapter. When lens detection is set to "automatic" and I try to enter LV mode, the display says there's no lens mounted. When lens detection is set to "off" and I try to enter LV mode, LV mode is entered and focus assist works very well. As a matter of fact, the camera even enters LV mode when no lens and not even an adapter is mounted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
msendin Posted March 19, 2015 Author Share #10 Posted March 19, 2015 Yes, the coding sensors were clean and anyway I cleaned them with isopropilic. The problem remained. It was the white marks on the lense that were "grey", specially one of them. With the "wrong coded" lense you got the "uncoded" message in the lense info and you could use the camera normally, but not live view. When you pressed LV you even got a message on the full LCD of "no lense mounted" but just for a couple of seconds. Turning lense detection to "manual" or "off" made LV work again with no problem. When I was having the problem sometimes LV worked for 2 sec and sometimes for 20 sec. That was what confused me. I imagine the camera barely detected the correct code and the slightest movement of the mount or other variable made the camera unable to detect the lense. All I can say is that I have been using the 24mm elmarit with LV without problem (at least till the moment) since I repainted the white code marks. Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 20, 2015 Share #11 Posted March 20, 2015 I have performed a simple test. First, I mounted a third party lens with an old style LTM to M adapter. When lens detection is set to "automatic" and I try to enter LV mode, the display says there's no lens mounted. When lens detection is set to "off" and I try to enter LV mode, LV mode is entered and focus assist works very well. As a matter of fact, the camera even enters LV mode when no lens and not even an adapter is mounted. So when this problem occurs a quick fix on the road is to switch lens detection off? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
msendin Posted March 20, 2015 Author Share #12 Posted March 20, 2015 Yes, that is right. You can put lens detection to "off" or "manual" and LV works again perfectly. (If I can get an adapter that can be coded I will love to experiment if this happens with all wrong codes or just with some specific combinations). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NordHiker Posted March 22, 2015 Share #13 Posted March 22, 2015 Hmmmh, I hope you are right, since as some of you remember I did have a similar issue (LV didn´t work at all after changing lenses (50 lux/Nocti) a few times with my camera turned on) a few months ago. I sent my camera to Leica and the whole shutter was replaced. Hope the best for you that your shutter does not say good bye in a few days. Btw, Leica worked very fast and did not charge me anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
msendin Posted March 25, 2015 Author Share #14 Posted March 25, 2015 Thanks NordHiker, I will cross fingers and hope to have luck. But what is the relation between Live View not working and the shutter failure? Did Leica ever gave you an explanation? Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
msendin Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share #15 Posted March 26, 2015 Sorry. I did not explain myself properly. LV does play more with the shutter that needs to close and open twice. But if the cameraˋs shutter works perfectly without LV in Auto or Manual mode and under every circumstance you may believe the shutter is OK . But I may just be trying to convince myself I do not have a bad problem with my M. And my question about if they gave you an explanation was perhaps childish. I do not think it is Leicaˋs stile. They quickly solved your problem and that is what is impoortant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddawn Posted June 22, 2015 Share #16 Posted June 22, 2015 Sorry to revive an old topic, but my m240 just had its live view shutting off by itself after a few seconds (also in video mode) so I was searching for a solution. I can confirm what the origina poster said - I have no problems with my 50 Lux with clean nicely painted 6 bit code. But with my 35 lux the problem kept appearing, despite the fact correct exif info was written to the file. I then realised one of the white bits seem to have faded a little. It seems the camera decided the code was wrong and shut off live view by itself, even while in video mode.... No biggie since I only use the rangefinder for shooting, but for a while I thought my m240 had gone bonkers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted June 22, 2015 Share #17 Posted June 22, 2015 I imagine the camera barely detected the correct code and the slightest movement of the mount or other variable made the camera unable to detect the lense. All I can say is that I have been using the 24mm elmarit with LV without problem (at least till the moment) since I repainted the white code marks. The slightest movement of the mount? What can move if the lens is properly mounted? I suspect this whole theory is based on the false premise of it being a coding issue where in fact it is a lens mounting issue. It is a 24mm lens which should bring up the 28mm frameline, so the camera is looking for both the 28mm frameline to engage and the code for the 24mm lens. But you are working in LV so don't bother to check if the mechanical frameline is engaged, and if it isn't the camera set on Auto Detect see's perhaps the 35mm frameline and a code for something else so neither correspond to what it expects and shuts the camera down. Of course it doesn't matter to the camera if you set Lens Detection to Manual or Off. So I think this 'problem' is more to do with the age old issue of people either keeping their finger on the lens release button while mounting a lens so over-rotating it in the mount, or not rotating it enough to click into place, or alternatively a too small rebate in the lens flange that is not allowing the catch of the body lock to engage. I seem to remember previous conversations about the 35mm Summilux that is prone to a swaged over rebate not allowing enough space for the locking pin to engage. But if anybody wants to take this investigation further (I can't I sold my M240) it should at least be checked that the lens is mounted correctly in the first place because movement should not be possible. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobby novatron Posted September 13, 2015 Share #18 Posted September 13, 2015 Bringing this thread back to life -- I was wondering if anyone might have some words of wisdwom for me. Situation: M 240, latest firmware, camera functioned 100% fine until yesterday. LIVE VIEW stopped working. The camera is still usable (center-weighted metering is functional, shutter speeds are accurate in RF mode) but LIVE VIEW is kaput. When I try to activate LIVE VIEW, I can hear the shutter 'click'. The rear screen activates and shows relevant information (WB, lens type, file type etc.) but the screen image is black. Additional mystery: when I try to activate SENSOR CLEANING in the menu, I am able to see the shutter click open momentarily -- then it closes immediately. The camera still thinks the shutter is open, and the screen issues the ususal prompts ("turn off power when done", etc.) ... it is my guess that the LIVE VIEW and SENSOR CLEANING malfunctions are related. Things I have tried to fix the camera: 1. Changed batteries 2. Re-loaded latest firmware 3. Cleaned 6-bit contacts with isopropyl alcohol 4. Tried mounting numerous lenses 5. Turned off lens profiling 6. Modified various menu parameters (i.e. metering, LIVE VIEW function) 7. Reset the camera to factory settings in main menu Nothing has worked. Has anyone else experienced this problem? My camera is not covered by warranty and I fear an expensive trip to Leica NJ might be in my near future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 13, 2015 Share #19 Posted September 13, 2015 Send it in... As I said on RFF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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