pop Posted May 31, 2015 Share #441 Posted May 31, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) A permanent technical solution could aso be a replace the camera at a concessionary price. (...) The following extract from Leica's statement above makes this appear an additional option. We (...) are currently concentrating our efforts on finding a permanent technical solution. (...) Should you, as an M customer, be considering an upgrade from your camera to a Leica M or M-P (Typ 240), Customer Care would be pleased to make you an attractive offer following a check of your camera and under consideration of the model and its age. A trade-in would not be called a technical solution, I believe. Besides, they mentioned the amount of money it costs them to repair a camera with a faulty sensor, and it seems to me it might still be cheaper to repair the cameras instead of replacing them by later models. I can't quite recall the amount mentioned, but it seemed to be in the vicinity of some €1600. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted May 31, 2015 Share #442 Posted May 31, 2015 Just to be clear: this is NOT about a new sensor, it is about a corrosion-resistant IR filter on the existing sensor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 31, 2015 Share #443 Posted May 31, 2015 1600 € is the customer price including VAT. I would be surprised if the real cost were half, especially working to a system. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DandA Posted June 1, 2015 Share #444 Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) "Many of us who appreciate the M9 sensor are not really interested in trading-in, or trading-"up" (I've owend two M-240 cameras and one M-P(240), and by far prefer the image rendering of the M9/MM1)." Exactly! Many are not interested in being left with no alternative except to upgrade their CCD sensor based M9, MM1 or even possibly a recently purchased M-E...which they may have purchased not due to the M-E being an entry level camera but specifically due to their preference for its rendering. I doubt if that was the case and they possibly spend $5400...now want to be told just a few short yeats later...sorry we can't fix your camera so you'll not only have to upgrade but spend quite a bit of sum of money doing so. I don't think or believe if Leica decided to investigate a new CCD based camera...that its in place of CMOS...simply an optional alternative. Whats also not to say that some form of new CCD sensor might investigated that has far more capbilities or advantages of what we perceive are its current capabilities. Dave (D&A) Edited June 1, 2015 by DandA 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tappan Posted June 1, 2015 Share #445 Posted June 1, 2015 Leica is very lucky to have such a loyal customer base. This situation could be a death knell, or at the very least, a huge concussion to the company, but it has not and will not be. That said, I for one am really quite displeased with the m9 sensor's corrosion. I bought my M9 it the height of it's price, and then I got it upgraded to an M9-P.While I understand that cameras of today have a shorter life than their older film brothers, I am still mad that my expensive, and awesome Leica, is having problems at this time, a time far too quick and short. My camera is going in to Leica USA-NJ, in early July, and I am going to choose to go for the replacement sensor.Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philinflash Posted June 3, 2015 Share #446 Posted June 3, 2015 As an involuntary camera collector, I am pleased to see that Leica has introduced a model whose technology is more than just somewhat distant from my M8. Now, if I just hadn't traded that CL on a Nikon... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winedemonium Posted June 3, 2015 Share #447 Posted June 3, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I used to have a Leica Monochrom (M9). I owned it from new in 2014 - but just for a short time - 2 months and only 800 shots. I had been spoiled by the handling of the M240. But, I decided recently that I wanted one again. A new listing appeared at my local dealer for a "user grade" one the same day I decided I wanted one again. I decided to buy it... and discovered it was exactly the same camera I used to own - I was its first owner and now I'm its third owner. My previous grumpiness with this camera was all about the handling - poor buffer / writing issues, buzzy noisy shutter, poor rear screen, etc. I never had an issue with nor felt I needed more from the sensor. Let's see what I can get from the camera this second time around. Perhaps I will have more patience this time, and really learn to use it and accept its foibles. Far better photographers than me have demonstrated what can be done with it... including this copy's last owner. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosophos Posted June 3, 2015 Author Share #448 Posted June 3, 2015 I used to have a Leica Monochrom (M9). I owned it from new in 2014 - but just for a short time - 2 months and only 800 shots. I had been spoiled by the handling of the M240. But, I decided recently that I wanted one again. A new listing appeared at my local dealer for a "user grade" one the same day I decided I wanted one again. I decided to buy it... and discovered it was exactly the same camera I used to own - I was its first owner and now I'm its third owner. My previous grumpiness with this camera was all about the handling - poor buffer / writing issues, buzzy noisy shutter, poor rear screen, etc. I never had an issue with nor felt I needed more from the sensor. Let's see what I can get from the camera this second time around. Perhaps I will have more patience this time, and really learn to use it and accept its foibles. Far better photographers than me have demonstrated what can be done with it... including this copy's last owner. Congratulations! Hopefully you will find satisfaction with this camera the second time around. On a related note, I quite consistently have 1 or 2 emails sent to me each week by individuals who have "returned" to the M9 after trying out other cameras. That sort of behaviour (returning to an "old" model) is unusual with respect to digital cameras — but then again the M9 is unique. Peter. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winedemonium Posted June 3, 2015 Share #449 Posted June 3, 2015 Congratulations! Hopefully you will find satisfaction with this camera the second time around. On a related note, I quite consistently have 1 or 2 emails sent to me each week by individuals who have "returned" to the M9 after trying out other cameras. That sort of behaviour (returning to an "old" model) is unusual with respect to digital cameras — but then again the M9 is unique. Peter. Thanks Peter. My first digital M was the M240. I have never tried an M9 (apart from the MM). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Printmaker Posted June 4, 2015 Share #450 Posted June 4, 2015 I'm totally invested in Leica CCD - M9, MM and S2. About the only hmm the M240 invokes is the ability to use a EVF with 21, 90 and 135 lenses. But these are my least used lenses so it is a very quiet hmm. The image quality of these cameras is stunning. Here is a shot from yesterday taken with the S2. And another from the day before taken with the Monochrom. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 11 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/240288-400-leica-photographers-agree-we-love-ccd/?do=findComment&comment=2827452'>More sharing options...
asiafish Posted June 7, 2015 Share #451 Posted June 7, 2015 "Many of us who appreciate the M9 sensor are not really interested in trading-in, or trading-"up" (I've owend two M-240 cameras and one M-P(240), and by far prefer the image rendering of the M9/MM1)." Exactly! Many are not interested in being left with no alternative except to upgrade their CCD sensor based M9, MM1 or even possibly a recently purchased M-E...which they may have purchased not due to the M-E being an entry level camera but specifically due to their preference for its rendering. I doubt if that was the case and they possibly spend $5400...now want to be told just a few short yeats later...sorry we can't fix your camera so you'll not only have to upgrade but spend quite a bit of sum of money doing so. I don't think or believe if Leica decided to investigate a new CCD based camera...that its in place of CMOS...simply an optional alternative. Whats also not to say that some form of new CCD sensor might investigated that has far more capbilities or advantages of what we perceive are its current capabilities. Dave (D&A) I just bought my M-E seven weeks ago for just that reason. I could have bought an M240 if that was what I wanted, but bought one of the last M-Es (to use with I my 2 year old M Monochrom) because it (the M-E) was what I wanted to own and shoot. I like the look, and while I am sure I could get close with an M240, I also know it would take a lot of work in post that I'd rather skip. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted June 17, 2015 Share #452 Posted June 17, 2015 Just to be clear: this is NOT about a new sensor, it is about a corrosion-resistant IR filter on the existing sensor. Exactly, this would be the neatest outcome.They then understand the problem and can take this into consideration with future developments (which may include CMOS, who knows), they provide a permanent technical solution, they further underpin the Brand by demonstrating technological progress and full customer support. There is nothing naive about that as seems to have been suggested. Don't forget the S is CCD, haven't even looked to see if there are issued there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted July 1, 2015 Share #453 Posted July 1, 2015 (edited) Sorry to break the news but nobody cares about the perceived needs of 400 photographers. A camera built for 400 (or 1000) customers would have to be ludicrously expensive and I rather doubt those 400 photographers would be prepared to pay that price. How about crowd funding But maybe 400 are the ones bothered to sign and in fact it represents less then 1% of those actually interested ? I think the M9 is different from the M240. Not sure how much its due to sensor and how much software but as the same comments have been made about the Pentax 645D vs the 645Z and other cameras such as the Nikon D2x, there might be something in it. I still prefer photos from the M9 at base ISO to the 240. Not that I don't love the 240 pics ..... Rgds Edited July 1, 2015 by colonel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted July 2, 2015 Share #454 Posted July 2, 2015 Good news from Leica! http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/247062-ccd-sensor-new-leica-information-about-the-state-of-development/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted July 2, 2015 Share #455 Posted July 2, 2015 Printmaker: Your images above are a perfect example of why I prefer the CCD sensor. They contain a drama that's more than just a composition, and PP. To me they go straight to a place in my psyche that CMOS sensor images seldom reach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosophos Posted July 2, 2015 Author Share #456 Posted July 2, 2015 Leica hit a "home run" with the M9 sensor! It's great to see them supporting it... thank you Leica! —Peter. (Leica M9P + 50 Summilux ASPH LHSA) 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmyjoe Posted July 13, 2015 Share #457 Posted July 13, 2015 I just bought my M-E seven weeks ago for just that reason. I could have bought an M240 if that was what I wanted, but bought one of the last M-Es (to use with I my 2 year old M Monochrom) because it (the M-E) was what I wanted to own and shoot. I like the look, and while I am sure I could get close with an M240, I also know it would take a lot of work in post that I'd rather skip. Could not agree more. I also just purchased an M-E because I like the way the CCD renders light, and as much as it was a stretch financially, I knew if I didn't get one now that they would soon be gone, and I would not have a CCD sensor for my Leica glass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted July 13, 2015 Share #458 Posted July 13, 2015 Recently bought a monochrom, so now I have the perfect set up, M9-P and MMI I hope to live happily ever after Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhoh7 Posted July 19, 2015 Share #459 Posted July 19, 2015 Here are two straight out of the M9 from a shoot a few days ago. No editing except I did remove a dust spot. May Market by unoh7, on Flickr L1035849 by unoh7, on Flickr Both with 28 Cron. What other camera can do this untouched? Granted light is good and exposure happened to be just right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
asiafish Posted July 20, 2015 Share #460 Posted July 20, 2015 Here are some recent shots from my M-E on a trip to Korea last month. The first two shot with a 50mm f/2 Summicron v5, the rest with a coated 1963 Zomz 5cm f/1.5 Jupiter 3 (Zeiss Sonnar knock-off). L1001501.jpg by Lawman1967, on Flickr L1001471.jpg by Lawman1967, on Flickr L1001077 by Lawman1967, on Flickr L1001062.jpg by Lawman1967, on Flickr L1001037.jpg by Lawman1967, on Flickr L1000971.jpg by Lawman1967, on Flickr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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