mca Posted December 28, 2014 Share #21 Posted December 28, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) I hope this turns out ok. It certainly has spoiled your Christmas but I'm really hoping you get your money back soon. Just wanted to wish you good luck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bobbywise Posted December 28, 2014 Author Share #22 Posted December 28, 2014 Thanks to all. I raised the dispute higher with PayPal the other day after writing my last post in this thread. The seller (or should I say scammer) has until Jan 5th to account for themselves. My gut feeling is they won't reply to PayPal's request for info. What is annoying is that at the time of winning the auction on this "scammers" M9 with a bit more than 10k shots, I had the opportunity for a legitimate sale (albeit for 800 euros more) on a hardly used M9 (670 shots) with a spare battery and handgrip. That's now been snapped up! My search for an M9 continues...... Happy New Year to all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mca Posted December 29, 2014 Share #23 Posted December 29, 2014 Depending on the price range you're looking at, it shouldn't be too hard to find an M9 in great condition and with not too many shots. What is your budget? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted December 29, 2014 Share #24 Posted December 29, 2014 Depending on the price range you're looking at, it shouldn't be too hard to find an M9 in great condition and with not too many shots. What is your budget? M9 sellers are not likely informed. How can we know 'great condition'? The daunting issue is the state of the M9. It is not like the good old days of purely mechanical analog M cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mca Posted December 29, 2014 Share #25 Posted December 29, 2014 M9 sellers are not likely informed. How can we know 'great condition'? The daunting issue is the state of the M9. It is not like the good old days of purely mechanical analog M cameras. When I say great condition I mean a camera with low usage: low shutter count and little or no scratches or usage marks. Other than that it's hard to know if everything is working properly beforehand, I suppose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbywise Posted December 29, 2014 Author Share #26 Posted December 29, 2014 I'm not really limited on budget, but like a good deal if possible (for example, I recently paid 3700 euros for a Monochrom). When originally looking out for the M9, I did say to myself that I wasn't willing to pay extra for an M9-P, and wanted the black M9. Foe the original "scammer" auction, I was willing to go to 2001 euros, and won at 1929 euros. I'd say I'm willing to pay 2250 euros for a reasonable condition M9. I may try professional sellers in Europe as they can deduct the VAT, whereas private sellers can't deduct VAT. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 29, 2014 Share #27 Posted December 29, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) When I say great condition I mean a camera with low usage: low shutter count and little or no scratches or usage marks. Other than that it's hard to know if everything is working properly beforehand, I suppose. One persons low usage,low shutter count and little or no scratches is easily another persons tatty. As for is it working just ask the question ,Is it working before you pay. At some point PayPal will want to now exactly what the claim is for. BrianP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbywise Posted January 4, 2015 Author Share #28 Posted January 4, 2015 Just a quick update. The La Poste has confirmed that the seller (scammer) sent a letter to another address. I opened the dispute a bit after Christmas, and the seller has until tomorrow to reply to the claim. My worry is that if the seller does not reply to the claim, that it will remain "stuck" and I will be unable to provide the proof from the La Poste that a letter was sent to somebody else. If the seller doesn't reply by the deadline in the dispute/claim, does PayPal automatically let me give the evidence of non-receipt of goods ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbywise Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share #29 Posted January 6, 2015 Another update -- the seller (scammer) never accounted for themselves by the date given by PayPal (yesterday). PayPal has refunded me. So I'm on the search for an M9 again ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted January 6, 2015 Share #30 Posted January 6, 2015 Count your blessings. Happy this all turned out well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted January 6, 2015 Share #31 Posted January 6, 2015 What a relief, congrats! It's such a nice camera Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garygraphy Posted January 7, 2015 Share #32 Posted January 7, 2015 Glad everything worked out and thanks for sharing... Now I know to be careful of such schemes! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbywise Posted January 7, 2015 Author Share #33 Posted January 7, 2015 Hi Gary, Yes, I'm usually quite a good judge, but got scammed ! Luckily, PayPal protection worked out. The thing that tricked me was the fact that (even if they had a low feedback of 2 positives and no negatives), their second positive feedback was for selling a 50 mm Summilux-M. So I naturally assumed they were legitimate, and selling off their kit. Once I was waiting for the La Poste report to come back, I noticed they got a third feedback, which was negative for sending an empty box for a Canon lens. This got me thinking like the scammer, and I realized that they in fact never sold the 50mm Summilux-M -- it was simply another scammer account that won the auction to leave positive feedback. I'm sure this type of scam goes on quite a bit. The scammers build up a small feedback profile, then send either empty boxes or registered letters to the wrong address in your city. I'm glad I got my refund from PayPal, and hope that PayPal manage to get the money back from the scammer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted January 7, 2015 Share #34 Posted January 7, 2015 Glad everything worked out and thanks for sharing... Now I know to be careful of such schemes! to quote a rule: If you think you're being played, you probably are. A I'm glad you got out of it without " scratches" . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted January 7, 2015 Share #35 Posted January 7, 2015 An interesting thread to say the least. Glad it worked out in the end. It reminded me about a Noctilux that a forum member bought off ebay and it was a scam. The pictures in the auction were used several times for the same scam till ebay finally caught on. I even reported a listing with the same pictures. The actual Noctilux was sold by a forum member I believe but his pictures were used for several other "sales". Personally I have bought a lens or two off ebay but always from someone that has a lot of feedback selling a lot of Leica gear. So far I have not had any problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbywise Posted January 7, 2015 Author Share #36 Posted January 7, 2015 I'm thinking of creating a thread of "trusted" sellers that I've met on eBay and forums. For my Fuji-X gear, I use reliable people in Turkey and Spain. For my recently purchased Leica gear, I use reliable people in Switzerland and Italy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhgnag Posted January 8, 2015 Share #37 Posted January 8, 2015 It's really amazing to me just how many good eBay and Craigslist transactions I have been involved in. Most people are good....but then there are always a few #^#@#$%@$#%@$% out there. Buying and selling expensive camera equipment (at least expensive to me), I seek to find a reputable dealer. I sold a collectable lens that I fell into through Stan Tamarkin based upon his reputation. I was scared to death to give the lens to anyone, but then I realized that I have to trust someone. Stan took care of me and also priced the lens far higher than I would have ever expected. I am now acquiring a camera from his son Dan. I know that I may be paying a premium, but I came to the conclusion that it was worth paying...for their expertise and reputation. I also just purchased a lens on eBay from KEH...and again am extremely satisfied with what arrived. KEH has really impressed me, offering to take back 6 month old camera that developed an issue. I bought the lens with absolutely no worried that it would arrive...the condition would be accurate...and if I had any regrets they would take it back without a blink I suppose the older I get, the less BS I am willing to tolerate. Reducing the BS in life sometimes comes at a premium. Maybe I should restate that as, it's sometimes worth a small premium to reduce the risk and potential BS with a transaction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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