tobey bilek Posted December 9, 2014 Share #1 Posted December 9, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Now that we have all vented our frustrations over the M9 sensor de-lamination, how do we know if the M240 has the same problem. This is not a CCD vs CMOS issue, but one of the uv/ir on top of the sensor cover. I would rather have to use the filters than have the current problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 9, 2014 Posted December 9, 2014 Hi tobey bilek, Take a look here Corrosion on M240 sensor ??. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
M-Mount Posted December 9, 2014 Share #2 Posted December 9, 2014 Leica confirmed the the M240 is not affected Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted December 9, 2014 Share #3 Posted December 9, 2014 I don't trust Leica but I trust my own eyes. After a year of use, my M240 has absolutely no corrosion. I would rather worry about the dreaded stuck pixel column though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 9, 2014 Share #4 Posted December 9, 2014 Now that we have all vented our frustrations over the M9 sensor de-lamination, how do we know if the M240 has the same problem. This is not a CCD vs CMOS issue, but one of the uv/ir on top of the sensor cover. I would rather have to use the filters than have the current problem. Different sensor - different cover glass. Simply no. Lightning never strikes twice in the same place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbers Posted December 9, 2014 Share #5 Posted December 9, 2014 OMG - the sensor has corrosion ????!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdriceman Posted December 9, 2014 Share #6 Posted December 9, 2014 Different sensor - different cover glass. Simply no. Lightning never strikes twice in the same place. Different manufacturer too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted December 9, 2014 Share #7 Posted December 9, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) OMG - the sensor has corrosion ????!!!!! Don't panic, don't panic, don't panic, Paaaaaniiiiiiic!!!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted December 9, 2014 Share #8 Posted December 9, 2014 Different sensor - different cover glass. Simply no. Lightning never strikes twice in the same place. Actually it can. Well, at least close enough not to make a difference. If I'm going to put my faith in a platitude here it has to be "third time's a charm" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M-Mount Posted December 9, 2014 Share #9 Posted December 9, 2014 Different sensor - different cover glass. Simply no. Lightning never strikes twice in the same place. Nobody knows what cover glass is used Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share #10 Posted December 9, 2014 And I worry about the red line, stuck/dead pixel, also. That be the second thing keeping me from another purchase. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted December 10, 2014 Share #11 Posted December 10, 2014 I guess we should be trying to determine what cover glass is used every single time we buy any camera? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lm_user Posted December 10, 2014 Share #12 Posted December 10, 2014 Worrying about these problems will take the fun out of the hobby. Although/ it is Hard not to worry about ending up with a 7000 paperweight. Leica needs to establish confidence in their product with their customers at these prices Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted December 10, 2014 Share #13 Posted December 10, 2014 I guess we should be trying to determine what cover glass is used every single time we buy any camera? In fact, I never realized the importance of the cover glass until recently. M8 IR issues, M9 delamination, Sony A7 reflections, smearing, and astigmatism. I think it's important to know what kind of cover and what thickness in any new camera purchase. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted December 10, 2014 Share #14 Posted December 10, 2014 In fact, I never realized the importance of the cover glass until recently. M8 IR issues, M9 delamination, Sony A7 reflections, smearing, and astigmatism. I think it's important to know what kind of cover and what thickness in any new camera purchase. Edward, I totally agree. I never realized the importance of sensor covers and mounts. We have collectively figured this out ourselves without the help of reviewers and inter-web experts. This has all been an exercise in realizing I don't really don't know anything or more precisely, everything. So, what do we get when we read reviews... vegetables! There really is a need for an objective scientific review of cameras this expensive before, we blindly shell out nearly ten grand on cameras that "blow away everything else." Nothing even exists like a group of PhD'd reviewers or even a group of folks educated in the area of optics, EE, material science, etc., looking at cameras in a way that would give us more than platitudes, biased inside industry reviewers and vegetables. Rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted December 10, 2014 Share #15 Posted December 10, 2014 ... Lightning never strikes twice in the same place. sadly just not true: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted December 10, 2014 Share #16 Posted December 10, 2014 Edward, I totally agree. I never realized the importance of sensor covers and mounts. We have collectively figured this out ourselves without the help of reviewers and inter-web experts. This has all been an exercise in realizing I don't really don't know anything or more precisely, everything. So, what do we get when we read reviews... vegetables! There really is a need for an objective scientific review of cameras this expensive before, we blindly shell out nearly ten grand on cameras that "blow away everything else." Nothing even exists like a group of PhD'd reviewers or even a group of folks educated in the area of optics, EE, material science, etc., looking at cameras in a way that would give us more than platitudes, biased inside industry reviewers and vegetables. Rick By the way, tongue in cheek. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted December 10, 2014 Share #17 Posted December 10, 2014 Would you say there was more information generally available about the physics/chemistry of films compared to the physics/algorithms of sensors? Is the film information of more use to a photographer than the sensor information? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith (M) Posted December 10, 2014 Share #18 Posted December 10, 2014 Would you say there was more information generally available about the physics/chemistry of films compared to the physics/algorithms of sensors? Is the film information of more use to a photographer than the sensor information? Well no matter what level of information, at least it is much easier to change film (even in my IIIg) than changing a sensor BTW, just to avoid potential heart attacks, shouldn't there be at least a "?" after the thread title? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 10, 2014 Share #19 Posted December 10, 2014 Good suggestion and done Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billo101 Posted December 11, 2014 Share #20 Posted December 11, 2014 The effect does not affect the CMOS sensor of the Leica M (Typ 240). Stefan Daniel Director Product Management Photo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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