IWC Doppel Posted January 6, 2015 Share #81 Posted January 6, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Don't forget to add the 6-9m delay between announcement and production and availability. It's got to be at least 12m away hadn't it ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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asiafish Posted January 6, 2015 Share #82 Posted January 6, 2015 Personally I wouldn't want a CMOS MM. I think that except for the glass issue, the current model is perfect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted January 6, 2015 Share #83 Posted January 6, 2015 Personally I wouldn't want a CMOS MM. I think that except for the glass issue, the current model is perfect. Given a straight choice I'd rather have the more snickety shutter of the M240 than the metal driver-like ping of the Monochrom so I wouldn't say the latter is perfect but I take your point, especially re: CMOS. There is nothing else from the M240 that I'd like (though the GPS grip, if it worked, would be useful to me). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lpeeples Posted January 6, 2015 Share #84 Posted January 6, 2015 I hope the new new mono has a longer bulb (4 min I think) like the old MM for longer exposures. Thats one of the old MM strengths. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Warwick Posted January 6, 2015 Share #85 Posted January 6, 2015 Any speculative opinion on how a B&W CMOS sensor might render images compared to a the Monochrom's CCD? Could the lack of Bayer filter makes any perceived differences even less than what people think re: M9/M240? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenshacker Posted January 6, 2015 Share #86 Posted January 6, 2015 Any speculative opinion on how a B&W CMOS sensor might render images compared to a the Monochrom's CCD? Could the lack of Bayer filter makes any perceived differences even less than what people think re: M9/M240? Nikon makes a monochrome version of the sensor used in the Df and D4, it is only available in a microscope camera. Most commercial monochrome CMOS detectors seem to be 12-bit. The CMOSIS 20MPixel monochrome 35mm sized sensor is limited to 12-bits, as are those from ON Technology. You really want 14-bits for a still camera. The Nikon sensor can do that. Nikon | Instruments Products | Industrial : DS-Qi2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 6, 2015 Share #87 Posted January 6, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes, but the present 240 sensor is not an off-the-shelf product either. Who knows what CMOSIS might be designing for Leica? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyril Jayant Posted January 6, 2015 Share #88 Posted January 6, 2015 While I am still fairly confident that a CMOS-based successor to the M Monochrom will come some day, I have no idea when that will be and what the camera will look like. And I guess that if a press release was imminent then I would know by this time. I just read this yesterday In Leica rumours . Rumors: the new Leica Monochrom camera will be announced in February/March | Leica News & Rumors Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyril Jayant Posted January 6, 2015 Share #89 Posted January 6, 2015 New Monochrome soon to be on the shelves . Rumors: the new Leica Monochrom camera will be announced in February/March | Leica News & Rumors Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 7, 2015 Share #90 Posted January 7, 2015 I just read this yesterday In Leica rumours . Rumors: the new Leica Monochrom camera will be announced in February/March | Leica News & Rumors Yes, post #35. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 7, 2015 Share #91 Posted January 7, 2015 Personally I wouldn't want a CMOS MM. I think that except for the glass issue, the current model is perfect. Lots of people didn't want a CMOS M either, until they tried it. The files are superb. We'll just have to wait and see on an MM version. Compared to the M9 platform, I prefer the M for….better RF, quieter shutter (less motor re-cock), smoother shutter release, faster processor, better battery, 2m frame lines, internally lit frame lines (better VF contrast) and better weather sealing. And while I rarely use LV, it's especially nice to have just for easy lens/camera calibration tests. Besides cover glass issues, it's nice not to worry (so far) about sensor cracks, discreet mode lock-ups (no need for any discreet mode….quiet already), SD card issues, etc. I think it's just a better built, quieter and more robust as a traditional RF camera (the latest FW allows video and LV to be turned off). Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 7, 2015 Share #92 Posted January 7, 2015 Already discussed here. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted January 7, 2015 Author Share #93 Posted January 7, 2015 A lot quicker on the market than some people thought: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m-type-240/350756-when-new-monochrom-will-come-2.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 7, 2015 Share #94 Posted January 7, 2015 A lot quicker on the market than some people thought: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m-type-240/350756-when-new-monochrom-will-come-2.html Also discussed in that same thread. Mods should merge these. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 7, 2015 Share #95 Posted January 7, 2015 Indeed we should... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyril Jayant Posted January 8, 2015 Share #96 Posted January 8, 2015 Well, if Michael doesn't know, and i haven't seen one, then I guess it's going to be a while at least. Well ...Jono there are rumours about some thing new be out on the line Perhaps it can be a good news. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyril Jayant Posted January 8, 2015 Share #97 Posted January 8, 2015 It will arrive the day after you decide to buy the current MM... Or already ordered discreetly and waiting to the FAMOUS OPENING OF THE BOX VIDEO . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M!! Posted January 9, 2015 Share #98 Posted January 9, 2015 notice a lot of activities on people selling off their M Monochrom after the rumor is out.... would the new Monochrom be that much better? (assuming it is a M Typ 240 with a new CMOS B/W sensor) i can be happy with a larger LCD and perhaps LV... not so much about video either or the larger body... may be film-like grains don't matter at similar ISO... not very sure if you are shooting really high ISO... may be a little peace of mind on the sensor (for now)... what do you think? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 9, 2015 Share #99 Posted January 9, 2015 That it is highly unlikely that I would sell off a camera that gives me the images and satisfaction of use that the MM gives me. If there is one camera I have that gives me that dead clammy hands feeling it is the Monochrom. I am sure that a new Monochrom, whenever it comes, will be hailed as better, probably be better in a number of ways, but I very mch doubt whether that better will bring anything that I want if I judge my experience of adding the M240 to my M9. I did't want to upgrade from the M9, but the 240 brought a number of features to the table that simplified my photographic life, mainly the ability to use R lenses. I am happy I bought one and it fills my needs, but to be honest whenever I grab my M9, it feels like coming home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted January 9, 2015 Share #100 Posted January 9, 2015 One of those posts that might come back and haunt you, Jaap? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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