ShotCapture Posted October 7, 2014 Share #1 Posted October 7, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) I mostly shoot all manual. I have set my M 240 to a clipping definition of 0 and 255. Is there an advantage of setting it to anything else? When shooting a Low or High Key shot I "ignore" or "override" the histogram for that particular scene, so it seems that base numbers of white (0) and black (255) are the basic starting points. Again, though, how does it help to have the clipping set to other numbers. When do you use other settings? As it is I look at the histogram and judge if I want to preserve the whites/blacks or not and set my ISO, f-stop, shutter speed accordingly.I use the clipping colors the same way, if I use them. It seems that if you preset the clipping definition to other numbers for a particular scene, you would be changing the preset a lot. Also, what are the bars that show in the Clipping Definition menu for 20 & 200 used for? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wda Posted October 7, 2014 Share #2 Posted October 7, 2014 I would be inclined to make such adjustments in LR or your software of choice. Just capture the raw file and then you have full data to use or reject. Settings for clipping would not affect raw capture, I believe, just your jpeg files. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShotCapture Posted October 7, 2014 Author Share #3 Posted October 7, 2014 I would be inclined to make such adjustments in LR or your software of choice. Just capture the raw file and then you have full data to use or reject. Settings for clipping would not affect raw capture, I believe, just your jpeg files. the settings may not affect the raw capture, but would my seeing an accurate evaluation of the photo just taken be affected? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo63 Posted October 8, 2014 Share #4 Posted October 8, 2014 May i suggest reading the manual ? i have posted this before too, but here it is again, with the appropriate page of the manual (the name of the menu option has changed to "clipping definition" now, instead of "clipping setting" in the manual The "clipping defnition" adjusts where the red and blue blinkies show up in playback, it doesn't actually affect the captured image If you look at an image you have taken, and press the info button a few times it will show histograms, other info and in one of the screens, will put a red blinking colour on overexposed (white) areas, and a blue blinking area on the underexposed (black) areas The "clipping definition" allows you to adjust how early or late these start (how over or underexposed the area needs to be before it starts) mine is set to default values. heres an example of the playback that shows the red highlight clipping warning and the blue shadow clipping warning. my black clipping shows up at "2" so a very dark grey, not quite black, and the hilight clipping shows up at 253, so a little bit before the highlights blow out completely and become white. thats all your "clipping definition" does (i actually really appreciate Leica implementing the ability to adjust the points for the warning, and having the underexposure warning too, i wish Canon would implement the same) in the pic below the red is a white patch open in PS on my laptop screen, the blue to the right is actually a dark grey jacket sitting on the bed (iPhone pic of the screen on the back of my M) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/235155-clipping-definition/?do=findComment&comment=2685391'>More sharing options...
paulsydaus Posted October 8, 2014 Share #5 Posted October 8, 2014 Would be awesome to get some basic exposure feedback in the viewfinder but I'm not really sure how to do that without cluttering things up for the purists. I think the way they implemented the battery and SD card displays in the viewfinder for the M60 is genius. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted October 9, 2014 Share #6 Posted October 9, 2014 Except in extreme instances, I do not look at the histogram. It seems to always show some over and under exposure. I try to take the best exposure and adjust the raw file in PS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted October 9, 2014 Share #7 Posted October 9, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Except in extreme instances, I do not look at the histogram. It seems to always show some over and under exposure. I try to take the best exposure and adjust the raw file in PS. Unless you have altered the clipping settings in the Menu the red and blue blinkies don't necessarily show actual over/under exposure, but are warnings that you are getting close to it. That's what they are for, but if as the OP has done they are set to the full width of the scale, 0 to 255, all they show is real over/under exposure, but not by how much, so they are far less useful in judging how to fine tune your exposure. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted October 10, 2014 Share #8 Posted October 10, 2014 The clipping range is only useful if you shoot JPEG. In any case, you want to set them to [0..255]. P.S. Note how I refrained from expressing any comment about firmware engineering Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted October 10, 2014 Share #9 Posted October 10, 2014 The clipping indicator is useful for raw files as well, but only on the bright end of the histogram. Raw files will clip as well when overexposed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyman Posted October 11, 2014 Share #10 Posted October 11, 2014 Personally as a practical matter I use 245 as the highlight clipping point. I use this as a guide for printable tones. There is no such thing as a 'correct' histogram of course. It depends what you are trying to achieve and your subject. As you are aware the clipping indications do not affect the raw information recorded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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