box86rowh Posted September 25, 2014 Share #1 Posted September 25, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Anyone out there see one of these lenses? Schneider: 75mm (7.5cm) f2.8 Xenon (M39) Lens Price Guide: estimate your lens value The picture there is wrong but the title is right. I won one at an auction but don't have it yet. When I get it I will post pics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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luigi bertolotti Posted September 26, 2014 Share #2 Posted September 26, 2014 Anyone out there see one of these lenses? Schneider: 75mm (7.5cm) f2.8 Xenon (M39) Lens Price Guide: estimate your lens value The picture there is wrong but the title is right. I won one at an auction but don't have it yet. When I get it I will post pics. Sorry... seems to me that picture is right and title wrong... ... I mean, a 75mm f2,8 ought to be a XENAR (as you read on the picture), not a XENON (a brand name used for high aperture lenses... f2 and above including the famous 50 1,5 sold also by Leitz) Interesting item, anyway... looks like a conversion for LTM mount based on a lens for some other camera of the '50s/'60s : probably some German brand like Robot or Wirgin, or even Kodak Stuttgart... or some other of the many that disappeared years after... this one here under was for a Korelle, if I remember well... probably in the German Forum it could be easier to have infos on this lens. We wait for pics when you'll have it in your hands !!! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Btw... can be that originally it was not a small tele for a 35mm camera, but a normal for some 4,5x6 or 6x6 120 camera (like the Korelle I quoted) Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Btw... can be that originally it was not a small tele for a 35mm camera, but a normal for some 4,5x6 or 6x6 120 camera (like the Korelle I quoted) ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/234566-odd-xenon-75mm-28-m39-lens/?do=findComment&comment=2678550'>More sharing options...
zeitz Posted September 26, 2014 Share #3 Posted September 26, 2014 Xenar's are 4 element Tessar-type lenses. Xenon's are 6 element double Gauss-type lenses. So an f2.8 would almost certainly be a Xenar. Hartmut Thiele's book lists a 75mm f2.8 Xenar, but does not list a 75mm f2.8 Xenon. The machining of the focusing mount looks like Novoflex to me. But it is hard to tell from the one photograph. Novoflex marketed many Schneider lens heads and made adapters for LTM bellows use. A focusing mount would be consistent with Novoflex products. Schneider serial numbers are published on the Internet. So the year of manufacture can be established fairly closely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted September 26, 2014 Share #4 Posted September 26, 2014 I've found in my archives a real Xenon (8cm f 2) which looks more "LTM native".. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/234566-odd-xenon-75mm-28-m39-lens/?do=findComment&comment=2678805'>More sharing options...
box86rowh Posted September 26, 2014 Author Share #5 Posted September 26, 2014 Once I get the lens I will post a picture for you guys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gyoung Posted October 1, 2014 Share #6 Posted October 1, 2014 I had a 75mm Xenar a long time ago, pretty sure it was an Exakta 6x6 lens originally, adapted for Pentax M42. Not a patch on the 1.8/85 Takumar I later acquired Gerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
box86rowh Posted October 3, 2014 Author Share #7 Posted October 3, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Just sent payment, hopefully will have it by the end of next week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
box86rowh Posted October 16, 2014 Author Share #8 Posted October 16, 2014 Got the lens in and will post pictures tomorrow but there is a slight change. It is a Xenon f:2.3 7.5cm lens not 2.8 Also, it is not a Leica mount lens but I have no idea what this lens is with zero mention of it anywhere online. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pecole Posted October 16, 2014 Share #9 Posted October 16, 2014 Luigi, I enjoy your encyclopaedic comments nearly every morning. Even if I am now 80 and not a Leica collector anymore, I believe it is thanks to guys like you - and the Forum, of course - that I still enjoy so much learning about my old hobby-passion, and even copying and storing photos in my files. Just a question, as you are Italian : I used to visit several times in Napoli my old and late friend-collector Ghester Sartorius (he lived in Colli di Fontanelle, what made him even closer to my "Fontenelle" collection, named after the place where I myself lived in Belgium !). Did you know him and his collection ? if you are interested, I can send you a few pictures of him and his impressives "shelves". Thanks again. Pierre Sorry... seems to me that picture is right and title wrong... ... I mean, a 75mm f2,8 ought to be a XENAR (as you read on the picture), not a XENON (a brand name used for high aperture lenses... f2 and above including the famous 50 1,5 sold also by Leitz) Interesting item, anyway... looks like a conversion for LTM mount based on a lens for some other camera of the '50s/'60s : probably some German brand like Robot or Wirgin, or even Kodak Stuttgart... or some other of the many that disappeared years after... this one here under was for a Korelle, if I remember well... probably in the German Forum it could be easier to have infos on this lens. We wait for pics when you'll have it in your hands !!! [ATTACH]459239[/ATTACH] Btw... can be that originally it was not a small tele for a 35mm camera, but a normal for some 4,5x6 or 6x6 120 camera (like the Korelle I quoted) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted October 16, 2014 Share #10 Posted October 16, 2014 Got the lens in and will post pictures tomorrow but there is a slight change. It is a Xenon f:2.3 7.5cm lens not 2.8Also, it is not a Leica mount lens but I have no idea what this lens is with zero mention of it anywhere online. f 2,3 !! Really an odd aperture... I wonder if it can be indeed (originally) a Cine Lens... let's see the pictures... (or... isn't an "8" so worn to look a "3" ? ... no.. wouldn't be a Xenon...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted October 16, 2014 Share #11 Posted October 16, 2014 Luigi, I enjoy your encyclopaedic comments nearly every morning. Even if I am now 80 and not a Leica collector anymore, I believe it is thanks to guys like you - and the Forum, of course - that I still enjoy so much learning about my old hobby-passion, and even copying and storing photos in my files.Just a question, as you are Italian : I used to visit several times in Napoli my old and late friend-collector Ghester Sartorius (he lived in Colli di Fontanelle, what made him even closer to my "Fontenelle" collection, named after the place where I myself lived in Belgium !). Did you know him and his collection ? if you are interested, I can send you a few pictures of him and his impressives "shelves". Thanks again. Pierre Hi Pierre... I never knew him personally (have his books, of course... the first edition of the first one has an impressive number of typo errors and even an inserted additonal page for a paging error... in Naples anything can happen with local artisans...) I know that his collection was impressive... don't have idea of where it has ended after his departure... I would appreciate to have some of the pictures you quote, thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeitz Posted October 16, 2014 Share #12 Posted October 16, 2014 Harmut Thiele (Deutsche Photooptik von A - Z) does list this lens, and it is listed as a Xenon. It is for 16mm film and it is listed as being for Arriflex. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted October 16, 2014 Share #13 Posted October 16, 2014 Harmut Thiele (Deutsche Photooptik von A - Z) does list this lens, and it is listed as a Xenon. It is for 16mm film and it is listed as being for Arriflex. Aha !!Thanks... Cine as I speculated... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
box86rowh Posted October 16, 2014 Author Share #14 Posted October 16, 2014 Here are the picture. The serial number dates it to around 1942-1943. Thanks for the help guys! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/234566-odd-xenon-75mm-28-m39-lens/?do=findComment&comment=2690091'>More sharing options...
zeitz Posted October 16, 2014 Share #15 Posted October 16, 2014 The mount is Arriflex. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
box86rowh Posted October 16, 2014 Author Share #16 Posted October 16, 2014 Thanks zeitz, anyone able to find one somewhere? I have looked and can't find another like it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeitz Posted October 17, 2014 Share #17 Posted October 17, 2014 Schneider's web site gives dates for various serial numbers. 1,800,000 was made in June 1942; 2,000,000 was made in September 1948. Your serial number is much closer to 1948 than 1942. The red triangle indicates the lens was coated when it was made. Lens coating was a secret technology during WWII and only available on military products during the war. Coating became available for commercial use right after the war, indicating production no earlier than 1946. Schneider was and remains a high volume lens production company, unlike say Astro Berlin. I have no specific information, but I doubt the lens is that rare. Rare vs hard-to-find are two different aspects of collecting. I guess there are Arriflex and Schneider collectors out there, but these must be small communities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted October 17, 2014 Share #18 Posted October 17, 2014 .... Rare vs hard-to-find are two different aspects of collecting..... I guess there are Arriflex and Schneider collectors out there, but these must be small communities. I agree : this is a lens that surely one can't "find around" easily... but probably is not a "rarity" in collectors' sense ; I add that, being primarly a cine lens for 16mm , most of them went into a professional world where such items are really USED, many times by different hands, and not necessarly kept with the care that an amateur (or a single pro) devotes to his own gear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oilman930 Posted October 18, 2014 Share #19 Posted October 18, 2014 If this lens is indeed from somewhere around 1948, and that the mount is Arriflex, then this lens is not for 16mm. Arriflex did not introduce their first 16mm camera until 1952. This lens is for the Arriflex 35 which was introduced in the late 1930's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted October 19, 2014 Share #20 Posted October 19, 2014 If this lens is indeed from somewhere around 1948, and that the mount is Arriflex, then this lens is not for 16mm. Arriflex did not introduce their first 16mm camera until 1952. This lens is for the Arriflex 35 which was introduced in the late 1930's. Are you sure ? I don't know anything about Cine cameras, history etc... but surfing a site well known to Leica collectors saw fhis item dating, apparently, well before WWII... Arnold & Richter München Kinarri 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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