dennersten Posted September 23, 2014 Share #1 Posted September 23, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Leica M4 2 Camera Made in Canada 11005XX | eBay I have never seen this type of top plate. How common was that? Little confusing both Wetzlar and made in Canada Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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luigi bertolotti Posted September 23, 2014 Share #2 Posted September 23, 2014 A not unknown variant : Lager displays several variations in the writings.... "Leitz Wetzlar" with "made in canada" as the linked item... or "made by leitz canada" on the back... or simply "canada" on the back : this last ,also with simply "Leitz" on top, which seems to be the most common engraving , on numbers in the 1.5xx.xxx. Variations exist also in the strap lugs (chrome or black) ... the least common ones are probably the first series with red dot in front. M4-2, though not so much considered as a collector's item, has indeed many variants... including the "unofficial" chrome items... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennersten Posted September 25, 2014 Author Share #3 Posted September 25, 2014 Thanks Luigi !! It looks great i think. So maybe i am buying it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted September 25, 2014 Share #4 Posted September 25, 2014 Thanks Luigi !! It looks great i think. So maybe i am buying it. The early M4-2 was a streamlined production item to lower costs. It is not considered a very good model. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted September 25, 2014 Share #5 Posted September 25, 2014 I have never seen this type of top plate. How common was that? Little confusing both Wetzlar and made in Canada It was a confusing period, the last M4-P cameras were marked 'Made in Canada' but they were assembled at Wetzlar. The M4-2 may be talked down, but as ever a camera being used makes better pictures than one that isn't. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuthbert Posted October 28, 2014 Share #6 Posted October 28, 2014 The early M4-2 was a streamlined production item to lower costs. It is not considered a very good model.. I never understood the "racism" against the M4-2 and the M4-P, to be honest, they are the cameras that saved Leitz, the removal of the self timer and the "rationalisation" of the productive process including a better control of the tolerances that avoided hand fitting, shimming etc.. from an engineering point of view would classify them as "higher quality" products than the previous Leicas...and I speak as an M3, M4-P and M5 owner. BTW, if somebody is interested, I've a 1980 M4-P...yes according to the serial number it's a M4-2 but it's a legit P, it's the camera number 1532410 and came with a thin 90mm Elmarit serial number 3066101, I copy and paste some pretty bad cell pics from another board: http://i44.tinypic.com/bjfuya.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/ap06o.jpg http://i42.tinypic.com/s2dy5f.jpg This is the sticker of the Italian distributor, it reads "distributore Polyphoto S.P.A.": http://i41.tinypic.com/24y4oxe.jpg http://i44.tinypic.com/2yya2k0.jpg BTW, why on this board my pics don't work? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted October 28, 2014 Share #7 Posted October 28, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) I never understood the "racism" against the M4-2 and the M4-P We might have a language issue here. Racism does not apply. Perhaps nationalism, or simple preference? The M4-P is, in my experience, very good in particular because it has the frame for 75mm. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuthbert Posted October 28, 2014 Share #8 Posted October 28, 2014 We might have a language issue here. Racism does not apply. Perhaps nationalism, or simple preference? The M4-P is, in my experience, very good in particular because it has the frame for 75mm. . Please appreciate the use of quotation marks... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted October 28, 2014 Share #9 Posted October 28, 2014 I never understood the "racism" against the M4-2 and the M4-P, to be honest, they are the cameras that saved Leitz, .... And, also were the cameras that convinced Leitz/Leica that the "classic" shape/style introduced with M3 was a precious value not to be abandoned.... and the success of M9 and M240 demonstrates that is really like this... Thanks for your link... your M4 P with "out of batch" s/n is an interesting item (and I like to see it came from Italy... ... Polyphoto was the last importer before the rather recent establishing of Leica Italy) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted October 28, 2014 Share #10 Posted October 28, 2014 And, also were the cameras that convinced Leitz/Leica that the "classic" shape/style introduced with M3 was a precious value not to be abandoned.... and the success of M9 and M240 demonstrates that ...) To affirm the same, there have been smaller, lighter RF cameras but they were not robust and most did not accept Leica's lenses. Leica's lenses cemented their body form factor into their aura of quality. It is all good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuthbert Posted October 28, 2014 Share #11 Posted October 28, 2014 And, also were the cameras that convinced Leitz/Leica that the "classic" shape/style introduced with M3 was a precious value not to be abandoned.... and the success of M9 and M240 demonstrates that is really like this... Thanks for your link... your M4 P with "out of batch" s/n is an interesting item (and I like to see it came from Italy... ... Polyphoto was the last importer before the rather recent establishing of Leica Italy) Yeah, I bought it from a famous repairer in Verona, Castelli, perhaps you know him...that's the reason why I think it's totally original, and I paid 600 euros for the camera, the lens and the MR-4 (that I don't really use anyway but looks cool on the M4. Perhaps when I'm back in Italy I'll take more decent pics,I haven't used the camera much, just a single test film to check it out it was working. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duckrider Posted November 7, 2014 Share #12 Posted November 7, 2014 Allow me to get back to the offered M4-2: The lens release button makes me worry: I know this only from later M4-2 and M4-P models, the early M4-2 had the same mushroom-button type like M4. Any explanation? Thanks Thomas p.s: asking silly questions, here I have one more: Ordered this M4-P with M6 finder type window: http://imgur.com/jbGv9gx Does anyone have an approx. number, how many of these where built (chrome & black ones?) Many thanks Thomas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted November 7, 2014 Share #13 Posted November 7, 2014 p.s: asking silly questions, here I have one more: Ordered this M4-P with M6 finder type window: imgur: the simple image sharer Does anyone have an approx. number, how many of these where built (chrome & black ones?) You should probably have started a new thread on this. The later M4-P went though a crossover period ending in single flash socket and flush windows and despite the engraving the last thousand are made in Wetzlar and not Canada. I have a black one. But if yours fits into that last thousand with single socket and flush windows it must be very rare as most are black. They are the M6 without a meter. https://www.cameraquest.com/m4pm6.htm Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted November 8, 2014 Share #14 Posted November 8, 2014 Which is the s/n of the M4-P ? Isn't readable on the picture... but probably, as above said, is a 1.69x.xxx of the last batch... in chrome , is one of the rarest M4-P by sure (almost as the 10 or so "70th" mis.engraved "1813-1983" ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duckrider Posted November 8, 2014 Share #15 Posted November 8, 2014 Which is the s/n of the M4-P ? Isn't readable on the picture... but probably, as above said, is a 1.69x.xxx of the last batch... in chrome , is one of the rarest M4-P by sure (almost as the 10 or so "70th" mis.engraved "1813-1983" ) I'll tell as soon as possible, waiting for the cam urgently! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duckrider Posted November 13, 2014 Share #16 Posted November 13, 2014 I'll tell as soon as possible, waiting for the cam urgently! So here I'm back, little gem did arrive less than hour ago;): Thanks god there is no zinc corrosion on the top plate (look at this small pimple left above the timeselctor). But backdoor has at the upper region strong signs of corrosion, the door is only to open at ~60° without force. All in all I'm very satiesfied with this puchase. ...although only a 164....no. Thomas Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/234440-odd-leica-m4-2/?do=findComment&comment=2705663'>More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted November 13, 2014 Share #17 Posted November 13, 2014 Compliments ! As you write, not a "last batch" but anyway a rare chrome M4-P with M6 look : I wonder if it is a Wetzlar made item, despite the "Canadian" engraving.... someone (don't remember when and where) said that NOT ONLY the last 1000 M4-P were assembled in Wetzlar , as Steve wrote, but "some others more".... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duckrider Posted November 13, 2014 Share #18 Posted November 13, 2014 No lights without shadow.... I had to recognise, that the rewind tooths to grip into the film magazine is missing. What to do now? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/234440-odd-leica-m4-2/?do=findComment&comment=2705828'>More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted November 13, 2014 Share #19 Posted November 13, 2014 ... .... LAB... a spare probably easy to find, and not a difficult job... this looks to be a fine but USED camera, so maybe is the occasion to have a complete CLA... which is anyway a cost worth to afford if one wants to USE its new toy.. : the additional cost for fixing the rewind pinion will be not so significant, I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandro Posted November 15, 2014 Share #20 Posted November 15, 2014 This began about the M4-2, then the M4-P was added in the discussion. I like them both a lot and use them quite often. I find them robust and reliable and when I like the 35mm frame and perhaps need the use of flash I take the M4-2 in other cases I often grab the M4-P. I have a relatively early M4-2, with the bigger transportation lever of the M4. The serial numbers can sometimes be confusing. My MD-2 for instance has a number allocated for the M4-2. One f you said he doesn't use the MR-4 meter, do many still use them? I try to, because it functions quite easily. Best, Lex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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