Berlinman Posted October 24, 2014 Share #101 Posted October 24, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) What I did was saving the complete settings at the time of freezing to the SD-Card abd send the file to Leica. So they had the discription of the situation abd the complet settings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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algrove Posted October 24, 2014 Author Share #102 Posted October 24, 2014 Seems like Berlinman did three things:- he bought a M240 - he asked Leica about his problem - he did what Leica advised to do How many complainers here have actually done the same? I have. They told me to do nothing to my face at Solms CS. RickLeica sent his in and they replaced the mother board. I will send one in before a FW update to see what they do with mine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 24, 2014 Share #103 Posted October 24, 2014 I did the same.. but skipped the last two steps.The result is the same The result is you keep complaining without doing anything to fix your problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigitalHeMan Posted October 24, 2014 Share #104 Posted October 24, 2014 All this complaining and bickering has changed my mind about upgrading to the M240. I don't want to have problems and end up in a thread with you guys! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 24, 2014 Author Share #105 Posted October 24, 2014 All this complaining and bickering has changed my mind about upgrading to the M240. I don't want to have problems and end up in a thread with you guys! Wait until I get mine back from CS NJ in 4-6 weeks (hopefully) and then you can decide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted October 24, 2014 Share #106 Posted October 24, 2014 All this complaining and bickering has changed my mind about upgrading to the M240. I don't want to have problems and end up in a thread with you guys! Simon, the M240 is a good, well I think a superb camera, with some minor problems. I am very glad I bought it.... ....and when it's back from the factory in about six weeks, I will love it again. In the meantime I make pictures with my MP. She only goes on a " holliday" every 10 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 24, 2014 Share #107 Posted October 24, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) All this complaining and bickering has changed my mind about upgrading to the M240. I don't want to have problems and end up in a thread with you guys! I suspect that most M240 owners have perfectly fine cameras, freeze-free, and aren't bothering to post here. My camera is fine, but if it had freeze issues, I would have long ago sent it in for repair or exchange. As always, insurance (and a back-up) provide comfort; better to dwell on pics, not gear failure. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigitalHeMan Posted October 24, 2014 Share #108 Posted October 24, 2014 better to dwell on pics, not gear failure. Jeff Fully agree. So I'm probably better off staying with my M-E as that works perfectly for me..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Pop Posted November 1, 2014 Share #109 Posted November 1, 2014 Well, I "was" amongst the freeze-free with my new M-P 240. Until yesterday, on the last shot of a several hour magazine shoot. When suddenly when I took a shot, the shutter just went "click" (as though it was still open). Red light on back stayed on, solid. Power switch did nothing…I turned it off and the light still stayed on. Terrified I'd lost several hours work, I popped the battery out and put it back in. Thank god my pics were all there. Got back to the hotel and downloaded them asap. I also had my M9 with me, but the light was gone so having a backup camera meant nothing if I'd lost the pics on the SD card. Things to consider: - my firmware is the latest (given that it's the M-P) - I have very few actuations on the camera yet (less than 800) - battery was at 90% - SD card was new, fresh, formatted and bought from a reputable dealer. It was a Sandisk 64GB (with 95mb/s write speed). The card starts up in a spit second when I turn the camera on…I've been very happy with its performance so far, very fast. Thorsten's recommendation is wise for this card. - I had NOT been firing in rapid succession, nor was I in continuous mode. Total number of shots over several hours was probably about 300. Freeze-ups don't bother me per se (as long as they only happen once in a while, after all, every device we have from laptops to iPhones needs to be re-booted on occasion..). What I AM frankly very scared about is a card getting messed up in the process, or losing my pictures….yes, yes, there's probably some clever software to recover things. Though I had a freeze up on my M9 once and the card was done. I used that software, to no avail. That was a corrupt card though. It's not my first rodeo in the world of Leica digital. Any advice, things to avoid? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigitalHeMan Posted November 1, 2014 Share #110 Posted November 1, 2014 Freeze-ups don't bother me per se (as long as they only happen once in a while, after all, every device we have from laptops to iPhones needs to be re-booted on occasion..). What I AM frankly very scared about is a card getting messed up in the process, or losing my pictures….yes, yes, there's probably some clever software to recover things. Though I had a freeze up on my M9 once and the card was done. I used that software, to no avail. That was a corrupt card though. It's not my first rodeo in the world of Leica digital. Any advice, things to avoid? It's very unlikely that the camera freezing up would cause you to lose any pictures, with the exception of the one you had made prior to the freeze up and any others still in the buffer. Each file is written to the card sequentially as it is taken, and then the file allocation table is adjusted accordingly so that the camera/computer knows how to find that image. Assuming that the image files have been written then even if the file allocation table were to get corrupted, software such as Sandisk rescue Pro does a very good job of recovering the files (basically rewriting the table in the process). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted November 1, 2014 Share #111 Posted November 1, 2014 Freeze-ups don't bother me per se (as long as they only happen once in a while, after all, every device we have from laptops to iPhones needs to be re-booted on occasion..). What I AM frankly very scared about is a card getting messed up in the process, or losing my pictures….yes, yes, there's probably some clever software to recover things. Though I had a freeze up on my M9 once and the card was done. I used that software, to no avail. That was a corrupt card though. It's not my first rodeo in the world of Leica digital. I can't speak to whether the M240 could corrupt the file system on your memory card, but the M9 clearly could. It happened on mine before I used a memory card that had the smarts builtin to protect against that. And BTW Leica most likely could have recovered the images from the M9 "faulty" SD card as long as the images were written initially successfully to the SD card that then got corrupted later by misfunctioning of the M9. This failure mode is different from getiing black images without content. That also happened on my M9. Also, my "faulty" SD cards still work fine today in other cameras, after formatting of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted November 2, 2014 Share #112 Posted November 2, 2014 Sorry for your lost files on your M9. I have also experienced some lost some files with my M9 that didn't seem to show up after I took them and garbled files. Also, I could uncommonly get the M9 to lock-up if I pushed buttons while it was finishing a task. Can't remember if this behavior went away with the last FW update. My work-around was to avoid the situation that seemed to cause the problem. As for my "faulty" old cards from the M8 days, they work fine in my M240 without formatting in any specific way other than in-camera. I believe you would find the M240 fits into your category of other cameras that "faulty" old cards work with. I have had several problems with my RX1. Once in a while it presents you with a screen that states that the card is unreadable. If, you use the camera's default to fix it, the RX1 simply reformats the card. First time this happened my wife lost a mornings worth of Santorini shots. The card was not recoverable once we got home. The solution is to pull the card immediately and use LR to download the files. LR seems to recognize the files just fine. The RX1 has never had a single update, by the way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted November 2, 2014 Share #113 Posted November 2, 2014 I still have the nagging suspicion that the 240 firmware failed while attempting to write a duplicate file name to the SD card. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jto555 Posted November 2, 2014 Share #114 Posted November 2, 2014 p { margin-bottom: 0.25cm; line-height: 120%; } My lockups have NOT stopped, and I am using the latest firmware. However I have a suspicion as to what is wrong. The motherboard has been replaced which has reduced the amount of lockups and the severity of the lockup. Now, I don't have to pull the battery as much to clear a lockup. If I remember correctly Leica released a firmware when they changed an internal part of the camera... Could this have been anything to do with the motherboard? As I am still getting lockups I have tried shooting DNG only. Before I was shooting DNG and small JPEG. Now a big difference!!! The lockups mostly seem to happen if I check the screen before all the images are written to the card. So here is my suspension: The processor is too slow/not good with multi-tasking, and not able to keep up with the camera processing images, writing to the card AND showing images on the screen. I have just done a three day shoot and shot about 30Gb with (just?) two lockups, which were able to be cleared by switching the camera off and on again. No need to pull the battery. I was shooting DNG only. However, both of the lockups I had were while 'chimping' at the screen while the card was been written too. Before, I would have expected a few serious lockups where I needed to pull the battery. I could be wrong and it could be a card writing issue, but I am using a 64Gb Sandisk Extreme Pro which is rated at a write speed of 95mb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted November 3, 2014 Share #115 Posted November 3, 2014 The processor is too slow/not good with multi-tasking, and not able to keep up with the camera processing images, writing to the card AND showing images on the screen. There is no such thing as a processor "not good with multitasking". Just inept programmers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jto555 Posted November 3, 2014 Share #116 Posted November 3, 2014 There is no such thing as a processor "not good with multitasking".Just inept programmers. Sorry, that was my inelegant way of saying a single core CPU. Too many queue instructions and the system falls over, which could be back to your inept programmers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted November 3, 2014 Share #117 Posted November 3, 2014 Sorry, that was my inelegant way of saying a single core CPU. Too many queue instructions and the system falls over, which could be back to your inept programmers. This is not the case. A single core CPU even helps inept programmers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 3, 2014 Share #118 Posted November 3, 2014 The processor is designed for multiprocessing: Milbeaut - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jto555 Posted November 3, 2014 Share #119 Posted November 3, 2014 Sorry guys, I am not a programmer or computer engineer. The end result is still the same. Too many tasks and the system falls over. As my old boss used to say "I don't need the labour pains, just the end result" DNG + JPEG, the camera sometimes crashes DNG + Chimping, the camera sometimes crashes DNG only, no crashes Untested by me JPEG only, no crashes (?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted November 3, 2014 Share #120 Posted November 3, 2014 The processor is too slow/not good with multi-tasking, and not able to keep up with the camera processing images, writing to the card AND showing images on the screen. which is precisely what I have been saying since the year dot. This is a processing/multitasking/interface bottleneck issue due to an underpowered processor faced with poorly optimised coding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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