pop Posted October 1, 2014 Share #81 Posted October 1, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) ..... Also, I’ve listened a lot of bullshit at trade-fairs in my time. .... ... Summicron 35mm ASPH which definitely carries a much higher margin. .... ...I have no access to Leica's calculations, .... willing to withdraw my comment if you care to prove me wrong. .... This is not how our forum works. You are entitled to your opinions, of course, just as everyone else here is. However, unfoundedly calling Leica's product announcements bullshit and baseless assertions about their cost structures and agendas do not really contribute much to the discussion in this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 Hi pop, Take a look here New Summarits. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
01af Posted October 1, 2014 Share #82 Posted October 1, 2014 I do find it difficult to believe Leica would introduce the Summarit-M 35 mm 1:2.5 without mentioning the aspherical surface in the tech specs. Well—it was probably due to the marketing strategy back then. Advertising all four Summarits as 'the pinnacle of what's possible with state-of-the-art spherical design, modern glass, and moderate lens speed' gave the whole line a coherent raison d'être and appearance. Moreover they probably were afraid that an affordable aspherical 35 mm 1:2.5 might cannibalise the 35 mm Summicron's sales too much. Meanwhile, it has turned out that setting the Summarit-M line of lenses apart from the rest of the M lenses, both in terms of styling and advertising, was not too clever a strategy, as it led to the Summarits being falsely recognised as 'no real M lenses' but an inferior economy line. So now they changed the marketing strategy. Also, I’ve listened a lot of bullshit at trade-fairs in my time. Yes—when listening to what the manufacturers say, we at the receiving end of the producer-consumer line of products can never be totally sure of what's bullshit and what isn't. But then, concealment of an aspherical lens being aspherical is still more likely than the false proposition of a lens being aspherical when it really isn't. So if Leica now concedes that the Summarit-M 35 mm 1:2.5 always was aspherical then I'm inclined to believe it. And yes, it's not just a rumour or a misunderstanding, but several Leica Camera representants positively stated that the Summarit-M 35 mm 1:2.5 really is and always was aspherical even though it wasn't advertised as such. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colmac Posted October 1, 2014 Share #83 Posted October 1, 2014 Please don't quote me out of context on the bullshit issue. Much of what I mentioned is common knowledge and shouldn't upset anyone. Over and out - goodbye Col Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
veraikon Posted October 1, 2014 Share #84 Posted October 1, 2014 When are we going to see some pics from these lensesAnyone have samples Current 35 sumarrit has good bokeh The current 35 Summarit is the new Summarit (except the gravure "2.4" and "asph". ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 1, 2014 Share #85 Posted October 1, 2014 Over and out! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted October 2, 2014 Share #86 Posted October 2, 2014 Just to be honest the lenses are the same 2.5 and 2.4, there is optically no difference and the old 2.5's could already be used as 2.4 if Leica just widened the aperture blades a bit. It's marketing guys. They are the same lenses in a different 'housing' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
40mm f/2 Posted October 2, 2014 Share #87 Posted October 2, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Some of my favorite lenses was the Summilux 75mm (too heavy - so sold) and is the 90mm MEM. I am interested in a light 75 mm lens but the previous version was not focusing close enough. The MEM is great far & close and 100g lighter than the new version but when traveling in cities I wish for a shorter focal length (used as a very light combo with the 28mm/2.8). I have not seen any comments or tests of the Summarit 75mm close up and would appreciate any comments (especially relative to the MEM) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 2, 2014 Share #88 Posted October 2, 2014 Minimum focus distance is 0.5m with Leica 90/4 macro, 0.7m with Leica 75/2, 0.9m with both Leica 75/2.5 & CV 75/1.8 and 1m with CV 75/2.5 if i'm not wrong. I have no experience with 75/2.5 and 75/1.8 lenses though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
40mm f/2 Posted October 3, 2014 Share #89 Posted October 3, 2014 I know what the minimum focus distance is (0.7m for the new Summarit 75mm). I wonder about the image quality at that distance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 3, 2014 Share #90 Posted October 3, 2014 Would be interesting to see how the 75/2.4 compares to the 75/2 at 0.7m but i have no info about that sorry. Will be hard to beat the 90/4 macro anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colmac Posted October 13, 2014 Share #91 Posted October 13, 2014 This thread lost momentum after the moderator’s hardly moderate post buried the question of whether or not the Summarit-M 35mm f2.5 (version 1) features an ASPH element. Word straight from the horse's mouth so to speak confirms it does. RIP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted October 13, 2014 Share #92 Posted October 13, 2014 Nope. I don't think there are any aspherical elements in any of the new Summarits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Ash Posted October 13, 2014 Share #93 Posted October 13, 2014 Nope. I don't think there are any aspherical elements in any of the new Summarits. you think wrong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
larsv Posted October 13, 2014 Share #94 Posted October 13, 2014 From the Leica site: "Constructed using the latest technologies, the Leica Summarit-M 35 mm f/2.4 ASPH. offers excellent image quality in all photographic situations – from vivid shots of people to dramatic landscapes. As a genuine all-rounder, it is a superb choice for your new equipment configuration." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted October 13, 2014 Share #95 Posted October 13, 2014 Is it only the 35mm? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted October 13, 2014 Share #96 Posted October 13, 2014 Asph or non-asph, we couldn't tell. If you ask me, it's all bs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 13, 2014 Share #97 Posted October 13, 2014 Is it only the 35mm? Good question indeed. Excerpt of the press release published on dpreview: « The universal Leica Summarit-M 35 mm f/2.4 ASPH. is the smallest and lightest 35 mm lens in the Leica rangefinder system. It is the only Summarit-M-Lens to ever feature an aspherical lens element. The high performance, light weight, and easy handling make the Leica Summarit-M 50 mm f/2.4 ASPH. a particularly versatile lens [...] » Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted October 14, 2014 Share #98 Posted October 14, 2014 Is it only the 35mm? Of the four Summarits currently in production, the 35mm has an aspheric lens and the other three have not. Says Leica Asph or non-asph, we couldn't tell. If you ask me, it's all bs. Good thing, then, that no one does ask you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted October 14, 2014 Share #99 Posted October 14, 2014 Old one also has ASPH element of you look at the double focus things you only see on ASPH lenses. Don't know how to explain it but sometimes you get some ghosting of subjects and I only see that on ASPH. element lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted October 15, 2014 Share #100 Posted October 15, 2014 « The universal Leica Summarit-M 35 mm f/2.4 ASPH. is the smallest and lightest 35 mm lens in the Leica rangefinder system. It is the only Summarit-M-Lens to ever feature an aspherical lens element. The high performance, light weight, and easy handling make the Leica Summarit-M 50 mm f/2.4 ASPH. a particularly versatile lens [...] » Seems that Leica marketing has managed to confuse the press again. As usual, I suppose the original German version of the document is perfectly ok, and the fact that 99.9% of people cannot understand German is not Leica's problem. Happens too often lately, though... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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