r7photo Posted September 5, 2014 Share #1 Posted September 5, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have a m240 and have yet to try or even hold in my hands a Evf . I am patiently waiting to see if any new designs announced Ron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 Hi r7photo, Take a look here Will there be a new EVF ?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
paulsydaus Posted September 5, 2014 Share #2 Posted September 5, 2014 I am prepared to boldly predict that the pretzels at this year's event will be 20% larger, softer and tastier than at last Photokina. I have no idea about the EVF... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted September 5, 2014 Share #3 Posted September 5, 2014 I have a m240 and have yet to try or even hold in my hands a Evf . I am patiently waiting to see if any new designs announced. There already is a new and improved EVF, only it’s for the T and the new interface. I don’t expect a new EVF to be released for the M (Typ 240), if only because the current M would not really profit from a higher resolution and/or faster EVF, due to limitations of its processor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r7photo Posted September 5, 2014 Author Share #4 Posted September 5, 2014 I think Leica needs to step up with one, requested by many users, From tech perspective can m240 electronics support a new Evf , a dealer told me he did not think it would? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted September 5, 2014 Share #5 Posted September 5, 2014 From tech perspective can m240 electronics support a new Evf , a dealer told me he did not think it would? Leica is on record saying it won’t work, so there you are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r7photo Posted September 5, 2014 Author Share #6 Posted September 5, 2014 Well guess I need to break down buy one to try see if like it, appreciate info Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted September 5, 2014 Share #7 Posted September 5, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) You could try the Olympus version. It works exactly the same and is cheaper, and it is not like you could re-use the Leica version with the next M (that most likely will have the new interface) anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r7photo Posted September 5, 2014 Author Share #8 Posted September 5, 2014 Yes good points Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted September 5, 2014 Share #9 Posted September 5, 2014 Honestly I don't see what all the moaning is about. I've got the Olympus clone. I also have a Nex 6 which has a much higher-specified EVF. I have used an Olympus camera with the upgraded EVF. An EVF is an EVF. It still won't be mistaken for SLR or direct viewing. It's still like watching TV through a tunnel. The M240 EVF is quite usable for framing and manual focusing, which after all is what a viewfinder is for. The issue I have is with the blackout between shots, and that is not the fault of the EVF itself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer Posted September 5, 2014 Share #10 Posted September 5, 2014 Well guess I need to break down buy one to try see if like it, appreciate info I did the same, hung on for several months to see whether there was a newer model in the offing. Finally, having bought a SEM 21 and a Lux 75 I gave in and picked up an EVF2 so I could frame the former and focus the latter with greater ease. For all its shortcomings I don't regret my purchase. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest odeon Posted September 5, 2014 Share #11 Posted September 5, 2014 Please remember... http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m-type-240/336621-new-evf-m240-coming-3.html#post2724021 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r7photo Posted September 5, 2014 Author Share #12 Posted September 5, 2014 Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdriceman Posted September 5, 2014 Share #13 Posted September 5, 2014 I'll believe it when I see it. In the meantime I'll use my $200 olympus VF which works just fine. As Bocaburger mentioned in post #9 it works fine and until they design an EVF/interface that has no shutter blackout the difference isn't really going to be noticeable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indergaard Posted September 6, 2014 Share #14 Posted September 6, 2014 I'll believe it when I see it. In the meantime I'll use my $200 olympus VF which works just fine. As Bocaburger mentioned in post #9 it works fine and until they design an EVF/interface that has no shutter blackout the difference isn't really going to be noticeable. Seeing EVF's without shutter blackouts is as likely as seeing SLR's without mirror blackouts. People have wanted SLR's without mirror blackouts for a long time, but it's technically not possible. It's the same with EVF's. The M240's blackouts are extremely long though compared to most EVF based cameras in todays market. I got a brand new Olympus VF-2 for $120 shipped from Japan. Why people spend like $500 on the exact same Leica branded one is a mystery to me. After using the Sony A7S EVF for MF I can confidently say that the VF-2/EVF-2, whatever you want to call it, is not good enough for critical manual focus, especially during dim/night light. The A7S EVF is fantastic for this, especially during night (partially thanks to the sensor being able to see in the dark of course). But the VF-2/EVF-2 is, of course, much better than the rangefinder during night time shooting on the M240 still. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 6, 2014 Share #15 Posted September 6, 2014 I find the experience with a blackout can be mitigated using the auto review set to hold shutter button. If you press and hold, the image will just freeze and revert as soon as the processor finishes. If the A7s is the same as the A7 I will give you that the image looks a nicer and has a shorter black out, but I can discern no difference in functionality. Both focus reasonably and equally well in my experience. It may be that it is different for shorter lenses, which I never focus through the EVF anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted September 6, 2014 Share #16 Posted September 6, 2014 Yes, me too discovered the above useful feature : EVF has its own limitations and is undoubtly out from the motivations that command the value of the Leica M, but is a useful and very appreciable addon accessory that has its role : looking for higher tech specs isn't a priority for me: after 7 months of M240 usage, I'd say that I use it around 5-10% of my takings : don't think that a better one would increase this ratio. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo63 Posted September 6, 2014 Share #17 Posted September 6, 2014 People have wanted SLR's without mirror blackouts for a long time, but it's technically not possible. it is possible, and its been done ! Canon did the EOS RT and a recent Sony does too. you need a "pellicle mirror" basically a see through mirror instead of the normal mirror that flips up and down you do lose 2/3 of a stop of light though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnJWhite Posted September 6, 2014 Share #18 Posted September 6, 2014 Seeing EVF's without shutter blackouts is as likely as seeing SLR's without mirror blackouts. People have wanted SLR's without mirror blackouts for a long time, but it's technically not possible. Actually it is. Canon had the Pellix back around 1963. But it costs about ⅓ stop, if my memory serves me well. And the later F-1 had a limited production high speed version with a similar mirror. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted September 6, 2014 Share #19 Posted September 6, 2014 I find the experience with a blackout can be mitigated using the auto review set to hold shutter button. If you press and hold, the image will just freeze and revert as soon as the processor finishes.If the A7s is the same as the A7 I will give you that the image looks a nicer and has a shorter black out, but I can discern no difference in functionality. Both focus reasonably and equally well in my experience. It may be that it is different for shorter lenses, which I never focus through the EVF anyway. Having the auto-review set to hold shutter button is just so you aren't staring into blackness, right? I mean, it doesn't somehow actually shorten the time until the EVF view comes alive again does it? And I have to concur about the Sonys. I bought and use a Nex6 because of less issues with wide angle non-retrofocus lenses, but I played with the A7s and R and in terms of ability to focus manually I wouldn't call them better than the M240+EVF2, in fact although the Sony's focus peaking seems brighter, I get the impression it's not as shallow as the M240's and therefore a tad less precise when DOF is very limited, as in macro. Maybe that's just my perception, I haven't really tested it out. I have used the CV 12 and 15 lenses with the EVF, and as such have tried to focus them (both mine are LTM's and not rangefinder coupled) and found it actually easier with the EVF than lenses of that focal are on a reflex. However those are relatively slow lenses with generous DOF even wide open, and always gave me the sharpness I wanted just zone focusing them since the film days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indergaard Posted September 6, 2014 Share #20 Posted September 6, 2014 it is possible, and its been done ! Canon did the EOS RT and a recent Sony does too. you need a "pellicle mirror" basically a see through mirror instead of the normal mirror that flips up and down you do lose 2/3 of a stop of light though. Sony calls those cameras SLT's, not SLR's. But I didn't know about that Canon camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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