OM lenses on M8

[crow]

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Wouldn't call my self an artist. This would be like claiming I am Picasso.

I am a painter, artists are rare, one in every 10.000 I would say.

Any way, I've asked politely, a lot of times, and I only got ironic statements.

It is a project that involves documentation, not creative photography.

Well I can understand when you say that a drum scanner would do a very good job, i am not sure better, but at least as good as the M8. In the 90's I used to shoot slides, again not as a photographer but documenting stuff, and indeed they were awesome. Fuji or Kodak 35mm slides, most of the time turned perfect.

I wouldn't sell the M8.

Even though I 've done my reading, I can't claim I am an art historian, like I can't claim my work is significant enough to be called art. I am serious though.

When I speak of something I do that because I am sure I know it quite well, and I've spent more than half of my life reading on art. So if a fellow here at the forum speaks of painting he'd better have done as much reading and looked at as many paintings as I have. If I can understand from his sayings he hasn't but claims he knows, I will politely ask him how old he is so that once correcting him I will pay attention not to insult him, if he is old enough he deserves respect. If instead of answering the truth he doesn't answer, he keeps ignoring my questions, and when he does he answers in an ironic way, putting me on, then I give him clues of the truth. Not the whole truth, not names of artists, that is his/her job, they'd better do their own reading. If you talk about it you'd better know it first.

I've got nothing personal against Jaap, but he just doesn't want to communicate on a equal to equal basis, he prefers to joke. That's OK, I have thanked him for the times he gave me valuable answers, even though most of the times he just gives one or two sentences not explaining well what he means. In the history of art there have been painters who used watercolor like oil paint, and vice versa. If he is serious he will search it and find the names. If he is not interested he will not, and that is OK.

I am a little bit younger than 50. I expect people to be serious when talking about serious stuff. I don't mind a joke or two, but you can't answer something joking all the time, that is not productive.

Tell me, I've just tried and developed a few b&w films my self, don't know how to print yet.

Is it as easy to develop my own color slides?

Cost-wise I think for my documenting project I will stay with the M8+1.3x cf, but I want to develop some slides for creative purposes. I think your suggestion selling my newly acquired M8 is a little bit illogical! If you carefully read what I've written you'll find out that I am not judging people on a how old they are basis,

but because I want to know how much they've studied on a subject. Because I admit I haven't got that much experience with photo... I am asking people in this forum, but when I come close to painting subjects, hey that is my field, not a beginner there. How ever in the age we're leaving everything has obscured limits,

anything can be called anything, and no one complains about it.

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... if he is old enough he deserves respect. If instead of answering the truth he doesn't answer, he keeps ignoring my questions, and when he does he answers in an ironic way, putting me on, then I give him clues of the truth. ...

 

You may want to consider the following:

 

While one's age may not qualify as a state secret it's none of your business; if it's not given freely, you may not keep nagging people.

 

I don't see why you want to reserve your respect for older people. Age has never been relevant for me for measuring out my respect. Even babies have dignity and have to be greatly respected for the immense work they do, at times with little or very inept help. Thinking a little more about that, cats and dogs can be respected, too, for their faithful and valuable services and affection. Not that I expect our neighbour's cat to take very interesting photographs, of course, but that's not a prerequisite for earning respect.

[crow]

I agree with you.

On "nagging people" I would say that asking someone's age isn't nagging, it is just a question.

Now,

If he respected me he would simply say that he doesn't want to share his age with me.

He didn't say it, he ironically said he is 17.

He shouldn't give out an information just because someone is asking for it, me in particular or any one else. But this is one thing and being ironic is another.

 

Would you say he respected me answering he is 17, having a 21 year old joking along with him on the fact I asked him a question? To me this is irony, and irony shows not respect.

What does it mean to be ironic?

Any way, age has everything to do with knowledge on a subject, especially painting. Unlike music the older you get the better you become, and I would say the same as far as art history is concerned, the more you know the better you become. It is not the same to be 17 and 57, as far as art is concerned. Music is a different thing, you can be Mozart and be 7 years of age, not even 17, 7!

[jaapv]

To return to your original question, you can fit the lenses to your camera using one of the adapters available or a combination of adapters ((M to R and R to OM) but you cannot use the camera for normal photography as you cannot use the rangefinder and the viewfinder will be partly obscured, especially with a shift lens.

And I like to be in control of my privacy on the Internet, thank you.

[crow]

OK, had you said so from the beginning I wouldn't have asked more than once.

I hope that everyone understands the relation between age and "know how" regarding optical knowledge. Therefore, an older person would be more likely someone who rejects something because he/she chose to do so. On the other hand a young person is more likely to have rejected something not so much as a consequence of choice as much as of ignorance.

The first one I wouldn't insist talking over already decided views.

The second one I would try to say as much so that I narrow the gap between ignorance and knowing, but I wouldn't be able to fill in for experience.

So really I did not nag anyone, and don't want to know their age other than for being able to understand if they know what they're talking about, or just say so because they haven't learned yet.

Of course this doesn't have to do anything with respect, as every one deserves respect.

The first one because they've already walked a long way.

The second cause we all know how difficult it is, and not knowing and the innocence that comes with it makes some one vulnerable, and eventually will have to go through everything we've already gone through, and this by it self is worth respect.

In the end, I don't like irony, in real life, in talking, nor in Art.

If you have something to say say it even if it is not what I want to hear. I'll respect it. But don't expect me to respect irony.

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... I hope that everyone understands the relation between age and "know how" regarding optical knowledge. Therefore, an older person would be more likely someone who rejects something because he/she chose to do so. On the other hand a young person is more likely to have rejected something not so much as a consequence of choice as much as of ignorance. ....

Rejoice! There still are things you can learn and unlearn.

Age really is a very poor indicator for the quality and quality of one's knowledge in technical things.

If I may, I'd like to mention my son here who is scarcely half my age. When it comes to questions about properties or handling of metal of every type, I ask him. Not only is his learning much more recent than mine, he also has a gut feeling for those things where I only have reference books, if that. Or take IT (information technology). While I have been working and collecting experience in various branches of that business for some forty years, he has done projects and used languages and protocols I am not very familiar with. Those occasions when I could ask him for his advice in matters he knew better than I were a source of joy both for him and me.

You see, knowing about using one particular kind of lens on a particular kind of camera body does not call for a long history of learning; it calls for knowledge that can have been acquired within a very short timespan, for instance during a short but intense project.

Don't reduce your chances of getting answers by insisting on old age. Otherwise, your best chances for getting answers to all your questions would lie within the geriatric department of your nearest hospital.

[crow]

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Phil,

I am only talking painting wise.

Music, like I said it is the opposite.

Photo... I can't say yet.

If you gave me the opportunity to talk to any painter I want internationally, I would choose a British lady, who is older than my mom. Even if she couldn't connect me to a gallery or a museum, I'd still go for her. Even if her work is different than the path I've chosen. Still, her.

It is because I see all the stuff she's learned from working.

Phil, real good painters are old. The older they get the better they become. Picasso before he died...!!!!

Any way, I am looking forward to my Fotodiox OM to M. Should be fine for documenting my paintings, or larger paintings in smaller rooms than my E-P1 does already.

[fsprow]

I give this thread my award for the most stupid in recent memory.

 

As to my age:

 

"I'm old enough to know better, but too young to resist"

[crow]

At least you know how to read!

[lct]

We are amateur and professional photographers of different origins here, speaking different languages and sharing a common interest for Leica products. If you are like us, feel free to pose any question and we'll be glad to help you if we can. But we are not supposed to answer personal questions, at least i'm not at all. I you want to know how experienced we are in photography just read our posts and make your own opinion. Reverting to your question, i am the happy owner of an M8.2 and a couple of OM lenses (21/2, 28/2) and the last thing i would do if trying to use them together. My OM lenses sit usually on a Canon 5D and could be used on a mirrorless camera or the Leica M240 as well. But using them on a classical rangefinder is a no no to me for the simple reason that the RF is not coupled with them. Just a 2 cts advice from an old bloke not old enough to be your father, but you can call me LCT .

[crow]

OK LCT,

give me some time until my adapter arrives. Then I'll let you know if I can document 2D stuff.

I also own an E-P1, OM2sp, OM4, and I enjoy my olympus shooting landscapes and portraits. But shooting paintings on the E-P1, however sharp it may get, it is a 2x cf. SO I though I might try to use the 1,3x cf of the M8. I've already written about that early in this thread, but few people go through reading from the beginning. Any way, let you know. I thought someone else had tried this before me, but it's OK, I'll see how it goes. Beautiful shots with my OM4! I've seen a couple of shots somebody from this forum took with an OM 24mm Zuiko.

[lct]

I have no experience with the 24 but the 28/2 is superb and the 21/2 is no slouch either. I did not try them on my little Fuji X-E2 because the adapters are rather huge but focusing manual lenses on the Fuji is very easy, even at small apertures like f/11 or even f/16 which is surprising really.

[crow]

The guy from Leica forum shot with the OM 24 on a M9.

[DigitalHeMan]

It's always fun reading your threads, crow

[crow]

At last, someone who can read.

[dunkelblau]

Crow, I find you have a very impolite way with people here on the forum; is this helpful in getting what you want?

 

I don't share your very grand views on art, on artists or on the relation of age and knowledge - and I DO have elaborate and particular views on all of these subjects myself. Which I won't share with you because you strike me as someone who isn't very good at listening (I point this out because you yourself find it necessary to tell people if they are able to read or not - which is futile as only people who CAN read are going to be able to read your assessment of their reading ability - or, as the great Blackadder put it: "this is the most pointless book since *how to learn french* was translated into french")

 

However: I do document my oil paintings with the help of an M9 and a Summicron 50. After each working session, I take a picture to document changes and progress (which is, alas, slow). I use the m9 because it is the only camera I have. But I wouldn't BUY a Leica for this task. Why not? Because there are so many factors which are more important than the *sensor* in taking a good picture of a painting: correct white balance, even lighting (difficult), proper perpendicularity of Lens/camera system in relation to canvas, plane of focus. All these things will befuddle your photographs. Any alleged color-capturing properties of the sensor are not going to make it through that process into your final image.

 

If I had to buy a camera for that purpose it would be an autofocus-liveview-thingie. Oh, you happen to already have one?!

 

As for crop factor (You write at one point that you want to use the M8 because of its crop factor being smaller than with your olympus): You can always move your camera closer to or further away from your canvas. And the only thing really influenced by crop factor - depth of field - won't bother you anyway since you photograph a 2-D-object.

 

So: All your M8Frankenstein will ever be able to do is something not even my M9-with-Summicron is good at. But my M9-with-Summicron is good at a lot of other things, that's why I have it.

 

As with you, my first contact with the m-system was through an m8. And like you I didn't have a lens for the first 4 months. What I did is I constructed a pinhole lens from the bayonet cap and used my m8 as a pinhole camera. It took some great pictures: landscapes, cityscapes, still lives. And since you seem to be a sucker for color accuracy: without any glass in-between reality and sensor the colors are hitting the sensor unaltered. Worth a try, and by manufacturing your own pinhole lenses you will learn a thing or two about optics as well.

 

And I am 47. But most people find me really stupid for my age. And I can't read. But I CAN write.

[crow]

OK, no more verbal confrontation regardless of who or what or how. From my part at least. It's getting tiring.

WIll get back once the OM adapter is here. Perhaps it won't work, maybe it will. I don't know before trying.

[jdlaing]

OK, no more verbal confrontation regardless of who or what or how. From my part at least. It's getting tiring.

WIll get back once the OM adapter is here. Perhaps it won't work, maybe it will. I don't know before trying.

 

Problem number one is the crop factor. It's surmountable.

Problem number two is focusing accuracy. It's surmountable too.

Pretty much hit and miss on M8 but eminently doable on M240.

Set it to infinity and use a smaller aperture it should be fine.

[crow]

OK will get back once tried.

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[caparobertsan]

There are not many well known artist llike Picasso or Andy W. To be an Artist, you have to create many pieces as possible in your life time and die. Hopefully some one will find your work and you and your work will become well known.

 

There is not qualification for artists you cannot really learn art, I think. You born with it or your life experience will make you different? That is my opinion.