stuny Posted July 31, 2014 Share #21 Posted July 31, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) This is at the leica booth at a New york city show last October: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/231209-new-toy-for-leica-m-240-leica-summilux-c-primes-new-article-at-overgaarddk/?do=findComment&comment=2640519'>More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 31, 2014 Posted July 31, 2014 Hi stuny, Take a look here New toy for Leica M 240: Leica Summilux-C Primes - new article at overgaard.dk. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
wlaidlaw Posted July 31, 2014 Share #22 Posted July 31, 2014 I suppose the only time you would want to use these on an M240 is as a director’s viewfinder. I would have thought one of those little finders they hang on a chain round their neck would be easier. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted July 31, 2014 Share #23 Posted July 31, 2014 And some people say that M lenses are hideously expensive! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted July 31, 2014 Share #24 Posted July 31, 2014 The Leica cine lenses are cheap compared with the Arri-Zeiss. The Master zooms are around $75,000! Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted July 31, 2014 Share #25 Posted July 31, 2014 Thanks. Yes, the lenses are large and I can appreciate how that would affect handling on the M. Not that I'll be buying any of these, but was wondering if the price premium actually buys you considerably improved optical performance? I.e., are they sharper than an M equivalent wide open and is the plane of focus considerably flatter? The imaging characteristics in one of the videos embedded in Thorsten's page certainly looks very Leica-like... Highly doubt it. M lenses are optimized for the M body. The C lenses are produced fro another application and wouldn't be ideal on the M. That being said, I still don't have the M-PL adapter to test them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted July 31, 2014 Share #26 Posted July 31, 2014 The Leica cine lenses are cheap compared with the Arri-Zeiss. The Master zooms are around $75,000! Wilson Dont compare primes to zooms. The Leica Summilux-C's are at the top of the price chart...the Summicron-C's are well in the upper middle. Arri/Zeiss Ultra Primes are about $14k new each and Master Primes $18k new each. This places the Leicas in the same zone. Typical Cine zooms ranges from $20k to $100k...the most popular zoom is a Angenieux Optimo 24-290 T2.8 and it sells around $75k. The best zooms are made by Angenieux and Fujinon. The Master Zoom you quoted actually originally sold for over 100k and wasn't very popular because of its size and weight...you can buy like new used ones now for under $50k...but they are hard to find and rarely used. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted August 1, 2014 Share #27 Posted August 1, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) The Leica cine lenses are cheap compared with the Arri-Zeiss. The Master zooms are around $75,000! Wilson :eek::eek: $75 large? YIKES!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted August 1, 2014 Author Share #28 Posted August 1, 2014 Thanks. Yes, the lenses are large and I can appreciate how that would affect handling on the M. Not that I'll be buying any of these, but was wondering if the price premium actually buys you considerably improved optical performance? I.e., are they sharper than an M equivalent wide open and is the plane of focus considerably flatter? The imaging characteristics in one of the videos embedded in Thorsten's page certainly looks very Leica-like... The use of RED cameras also add to the filmlike/Leicalike look. Especially the RED that shoots raw footage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted August 1, 2014 Share #29 Posted August 1, 2014 There is now a RED (the Dragon) which shoots in 6K and takes 19MP stills. Its sensor is 30.7mm x 15.8mm. DxO gave it their highest ever sensor score. Not cheap of course, at $50,000 for the main module alone, before you start buying all the add ons, like viewfinder, focus motors, batteries etc. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted August 1, 2014 Share #30 Posted August 1, 2014 :eek::eek: $75 large? YIKES!! Yes but remember these lenses are built to be serviced. They are designed and built at much higher standards than a still lens, even a Leica lens. For the most part they are hand made and designed so that elements can be replaced easily as they are used 7 days a week in harsh conditions. They are also quite large and designed to be used much differently than still lenses. They typically have three motors attached to drive the focus, iris and zoom gears. They are really not that expensive relative to their applications and use...and they rent for an average of $600/day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted August 1, 2014 Share #31 Posted August 1, 2014 I had an office in one of the 18th century streets in Spitalfields in London for over 20 years. The area was frequently used for filming period dramas. You often used to see the Cooke or Zeiss van there with the service technician taking a lens into the back of the van for service. I asked if I could sit in while a lens was being serviced. It was very interesting and the Zeiss UK technician had a focus target and collimator set up in the van to correct the lens to scale distance after servicing, as well as a laser device in which the lens was sat vertically to adjust infinity. He had a large wooden case with dozens of different colour coded shims in it to correct flange focal distance. He said the main problem was dust getting into the zoom lenses and cack handed handling damaging the mounts. Strangely enough Zeiss single touch trombone zoom still lenses also have a dust problem. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted August 1, 2014 Share #32 Posted August 1, 2014 Here are some images of the zoom and Noctilux on a Red Epic: ZOOM- NOCTILUX- More M lenses on an Epic: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/231209-new-toy-for-leica-m-240-leica-summilux-c-primes-new-article-at-overgaarddk/?do=findComment&comment=2641362'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted August 1, 2014 Share #33 Posted August 1, 2014 Thanks for posting those. Do you have a separate person pulling the focus on these set ups, in addition to the cameraman? I see that both the aperture and focus on the Summilux-C have motors on them. Is it the cameraman who changes the aperture? Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted August 1, 2014 Share #34 Posted August 1, 2014 Thanks for posting those. Do you have a separate person pulling the focus on these set ups, in addition to the cameraman? I see that both the aperture and focus on the Summilux-C have motors on them. Is it the cameraman who changes the aperture? Wilson The 1st Assistant is responsible for focus. Typically a crew consists of: DoP- Director of Photography Camera Operator- Operates the Camera 1st AC- Pulling Focus, prepping camera, assuring camera and lenses are properly collimated prior to shoot days, etc. 2nd AC- Loader (film) or just setting up cameras, lenses, etc. On smaller jobs the DoP and Camera Operator are same person. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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