CheshireCat Posted July 28, 2014 Share #281 Posted July 28, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) It would have been perfect if Leica had chosen a more sensible filename default, i.e. "DSCL", "IMGL", or similar. "L100" was bound to confuse users, especially those experienced with earlier incarnations of the digital M. I beg to differ. The M9 was almost perfect (almost, because it did not use all 8 chars for numbering). The fact that some other camera manufacturers also wrap at 9999 does not mean this behavior makes sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted July 28, 2014 Share #282 Posted July 28, 2014 Indeed, but this requires an extra step that would not be needed. Doesn't matter, it is automated and will automatically open your postprocessing workflow (even eject the card for you) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted July 28, 2014 Share #283 Posted July 28, 2014 The fact that some other camera manufacturers also wrap at 9999 does not mean this behavior makes sense. For better or for worse that’s what the majority of cameras out there do. The Japanese industry standard (design rule for camera file system) doesn’t really care about unique filenames. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted July 28, 2014 Share #284 Posted July 28, 2014 It is really NOT perfectly done - and I can't hear that anymore: Done by Leica so it's perfect... Hahaha - and no one comments on the real bug in the specs which easily can be detected in the short extract of the manual shown above. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted July 28, 2014 Share #285 Posted July 28, 2014 Hahaha - and no one comments on the real bug in the specs which easily can be detected in the short extract of the manual shown above. The fact it starts with 0001 and not 0000 ? The camera actually restarts from 0001, so it must be a feature. All kids start counting with 1, so they will not be puzzled when using an M Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted July 28, 2014 Share #286 Posted July 28, 2014 The fact it starts with 0001 and not 0000 ? The camera actually restarts from 0001, so it must be a feature.All kids start counting with 1, so they will not be puzzled when using an M No one I know is bothered by index origin. You did not notice, then, the bit about what happens when it runs out of folder numbers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted July 28, 2014 Share #287 Posted July 28, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) The fact it starts with 0001 and not 0000 ? The camera actually restarts from 0001, so it must be a feature. It’s the standard – the first folder is #100 and the first image file is #0001. It’s what all cameras do and what photographers have come to expect. And btw, computer scientists excluded everyone starts counting with 1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted July 28, 2014 Share #288 Posted July 28, 2014 You did not notice, then, the bit about what happens when it runs out of folder numbers? Nope, it just says that a warning message will appear and the numbering "must be reset" (manually). As silly as this is, I don't think it will ever happen to anyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted July 28, 2014 Share #289 Posted July 28, 2014 As silly as this is, I don't think it will ever happen to anyone. As a matter of fact it did happen for some people. It happened to me once, although the camera in question wasn’t a Leica – it can happen with any camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted July 28, 2014 Share #290 Posted July 28, 2014 As a matter of fact it did happen for some people. It happened to me once, although the camera in question wasn’t a Leica – it can happen with any camera. Context matters. If that was not a Leica, what did exactly happen to you ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted July 28, 2014 Share #291 Posted July 28, 2014 It’s the standard – the first folder is #100 and the first image file is #0001. It’s what all cameras do and what photographers have come to expect. Can you please point me to the standard ? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted July 28, 2014 Share #292 Posted July 28, 2014 Context matters.If that was not a Leica, what did exactly happen to you ? The camera (it was a Fuji, not that it matters) refused to take any more pictures. The internal counter had reached its maximum value so it had to be reset – which was easy enough, only I couldn’t store additional pictures, even though there was plenty of space, because the fateful picture with the maximum image number was on that card. Only after I had copied the pictures to the computer and erased the card could I use it again. This is more or less what happens with any camera if this situation arises. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted July 28, 2014 Share #293 Posted July 28, 2014 Can you please point me to the standard ? See Design rule for Camera File system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and the links on that page. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted July 28, 2014 Share #294 Posted July 28, 2014 This is more or less what happens with any camera if this situation arises. Don't know about your Fuji, but it is basically impossible to reach folder L999 on a Leica, as this implies never formatting the card (as folder naming will restart from L100) and taking 10 million shots. Context matters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted July 28, 2014 Share #295 Posted July 28, 2014 Don't know about your Fuji, but it is basically impossible to reach folder L999 on a Leica, as this implies never formatting the card (as folder naming will restart from L100) and taking 10 million shots. Few people reaching that number have actually taken that many pictures with that camera and card. It usually happens when you switch cards and cameras a lot. The next image number used by a camera depends on the maximum of the internal image counter and the highest file and folder number on the card, so you can reach image no. 9999 in folder no. 999 much earlier than expected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted July 29, 2014 Share #296 Posted July 29, 2014 Few people reaching that number have actually taken that many pictures with that camera and card. It usually happens when you switch cards and cameras a lot. I went through the DCF specs, and I can't see how this can happen if not because of a Fuji firmware bug. Never had such a problem with my Canikons and Leicas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 29, 2014 Share #297 Posted July 29, 2014 Our Canikons and Leicas have had basically the same numbering features for ten+ years so what are you trying to demonstrate exactly here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted July 29, 2014 Share #298 Posted July 29, 2014 See Design rule for Camera File system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and the links on that page. Thanks. I read the entire document of this de-facto standard (latest 2010 version) and I am convinced there is no valid reason in 2014 to stick to it. There probably wasn't any good reason in 1998 either... We think of a 4 years old PC as obsolete technology, and this software standard is still requiring usage of 8.3 filenames after 4 decades ... This should be enough to ignore it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsydaus Posted July 29, 2014 Share #299 Posted July 29, 2014 I have a feature request. I like the feature that the camera estimates the aperture for insertion into EXIF. It's usually fairly accurate and helpful when reviewing images later on screen. Is it possible to display this in camera also? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted July 29, 2014 Share #300 Posted July 29, 2014 I went through the DCF specs, and I can't see how this can happen if not because of a Fuji firmware bug. What bug would that be? The camera adds one to its internal counter for each picture taken, adding 1 to the folder number when the image number rolls over, and calculates the maximum of the internal counter and the highest number of the card whenever a new card is inserted, adjusting the internal counter if required. And that is all it takes, plus lots of card swapping. It can happen with all makes of cameras and it does happen often enough that a few years ago I bothered to write an FAQ entry on this issue for my website. (Fuji, to their credit, have documented the problem and what to do when it arises in the manuals of all their cameras.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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