swamiji Posted July 1, 2014 Share #61 Posted July 1, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Have a look at following links and you will knows who should be blamed. Why your camera's GPS won't work in China (maybe) - Boing Boing If You're a Foreigner Using GPS in China, You Could Be a Spy | Motherboard It was these two blogs, that started my quest for understanding. All I can say is they are out of date, and in the case of the second one, inaccurate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted July 1, 2014 Share #62 Posted July 1, 2014 Umm. Maybe I am not deep enough into Chinese culture to see this as an insult. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted July 1, 2014 Share #63 Posted July 1, 2014 Umm. Maybe I am not deep enough into Chinese culture to see this as an insult. I am not sure how to explain Chinese culture in a blog post, lets just say it's complicated. But it has something to do with the idea of an emerging nation, and the weight of 2000 years of fiefdom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 1, 2014 Share #64 Posted July 1, 2014 Why would Leica run the risk to be sued by their customers if they got arrested for logging location data in China? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted July 1, 2014 Share #65 Posted July 1, 2014 Why would Leica run the risk to be sued by their customers if they got arrested for logging location data in China? Not by Chinese law. Logging location data is not illegal in China in civilian locations. If you Log location data of military installations, that is different, and is illegal in most countries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 1, 2014 Share #66 Posted July 1, 2014 Not by Chinese law. Logging location data is not illegal in China in civilian locations. If you Log location data of military installations, that is different, and is illegal in most countries. I know nothing about Chinese Law sorry but what about the Chinese Police actually? It is a duty of brands like Leica to take local contingencies and customs into consideration. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted July 1, 2014 Share #67 Posted July 1, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Does everybody include foreigners?. It includes me, and I am as foreign as you can get. However it is true, that if a foreigner takes photos of military installations, they could be seen as a spy, whether or not there is GPS data. Any tourist, in any country needs to pay attention to that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted July 1, 2014 Share #68 Posted July 1, 2014 I know nothing about Chinese Law sorry but what about the Chinese Police actually? It is a duty of brands like Leica to take local contingencies and customs into consideration. Oh, Customs not Customs... No, I have seen no difference between the treatment of brands at a local level, except the amount of excitement that a luxury brand brings. You have to realize, that luxury brands are not new here. Dior, Bentley, Prada, is everywhere. Leica is also everywhere, even though it's all grey market. The Leica Typ T is selling here now. The only service center for all of china for a grey market camera is in Hong Kong, and any camera not bought at the Beijing or Hong Kong store is considered grey market. Even if you purchased the camera in an actual Leica Store. Leica service in mainland china is horrible. I listen to stories about problems in Australia, and Malaysia and I laugh. I wish Leica would take ownership of Leica service and sales in China. But Leica sales goes on still, and the cameras are often twice the price of Europe, or the US. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 1, 2014 Share #69 Posted July 1, 2014 I cannot elaborate for professional reasons but my best advice is to take these uncles very seriously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted July 1, 2014 Share #70 Posted July 1, 2014 I cannot elaborate for professional reasons but my best advice is to take these uncles very seriously. Agreed, but they can be very human and understanding. True like any government official they can be cold and unfeeling, but from my experience they do try to understand. Politeness is the key, not matter what, politeness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
india42 Posted July 1, 2014 Share #71 Posted July 1, 2014 I recall the days of shooting film and you actually had to remember where you shot the picture. I guess at some point we won't be able to think for ourselves any more. Just my opinion... Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted July 1, 2014 Share #72 Posted July 1, 2014 I recall the days of shooting film and you actually had to remember where you shot the picture. I guess at some point we won't be able to think for ourselves any more. Just my opinion... Paul Thats part of my problem, I go places where I don't know where I am, as I can't read Chinese. So it would be nice to look up from the GPS data where I went on a map that has english. So now, I use my iPhone to geotag my location, and try to match it up with my photo's later. A bit of a pain, but it works. That is part of my basic problem with the restriction on the MF Handgrip, if I can do it on my iPhone, why can't the MF Handgrip, which is supposed to have the same function do just that. If Apple has dealt with all these issues, then why not Leica? Or maybe they have with the Typ T... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted July 1, 2014 Share #73 Posted July 1, 2014 Thats part of my problem, I go places where I don't know where I am, as I can't read Chinese. So it would be nice to look up from the GPS data where I went on a map that has english. Ah, now I understand why this is your particular hobby horse. When traveling in Europe I'll often take a picture of a sign (on a corner, on a museum, on a street map, etc.) when I spot one as a reference for when I'm in LR at home. Chinese symbols would do me no good for this... I get you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tookaphotoof Posted July 1, 2014 Share #74 Posted July 1, 2014 I use a Garmin Oregon for that. They also have even smaller versions. Long battery life, the possibility to load free OSM maps, where you can see where you've been when your home, or on the device itself and if in need, simply use it to navigate you anywhere you want. I can also take a photo with it to save the coordinates. Some seem to be able to load the the gps data into lightroom. Might be something to consider for you if you go to places where the gps of the grip doesn't work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helohe Posted July 1, 2014 Share #75 Posted July 1, 2014 I use this https://code.google.com/p/gpicsync/ together with a free gps recording app for android. Saved me the costs of the multifunction grip and has been working in all countries so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jto555 Posted July 1, 2014 Share #76 Posted July 1, 2014 I think the Mods might need to jump in here as we seem to be getting away from the main point of this thread. Mabey a new thread on the GPS funtion is called for? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted July 1, 2014 Share #77 Posted July 1, 2014 in Lightroom when applied the lens correction is not automatically found, one must choose the body and the lens, it doesn't work anymore Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsydaus Posted July 1, 2014 Share #78 Posted July 1, 2014 I agree, getting a bit off topic. Let me try to bring things back! This isn't a bug, but I'm surprised Leica didn't allow us to re-purpose the movie M button to another function (exposure lock for example). I occasionally found this button (exposure lock) very useful on my Zeiss Ikon. This probably is a bug: When doing minor actions in the menu system such as formatting an SD card, the "user profile" reverts to blank. The camera settings don't change of course. But what seems to be happening is that minor changes in the menu system that are not related to the core camera settings are inadvertently causing the camera to think the current profile has been changed. This causes time wasting to re-load the profile to make sure everything is ok. I am in the middle of doing an exhaustive review of the current firmware and will no doubt make more comments here soon. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsydaus Posted July 1, 2014 Share #79 Posted July 1, 2014 Once again I'd like to thank Leica and the beta testers for making the current version of the firmware available. I'm in two minds about this. On one hand I'm really happy with the current firmware! The camera finally feels like a finished product. For me this is easily now the best camera in the world! But on the other hand it's been nearly two years since this thing was announced at Photokina which is really an unacceptable delay to get to this point of having a final polished firmware available. I hope Leica take some lessons away from this exercise and devote more resources in future to firmware development and testing prior to release. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 1, 2014 Share #80 Posted July 1, 2014 ...This probably is a bug: When doing minor actions in the menu system such as formatting an SD card, the "user profile" reverts to blank... Been reported to Leica already. Will be fixed by the next firmware update hopefully. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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