jaapv Posted July 1, 2014 Share #161 Posted July 1, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Every single firmware update on any single digital M has improved AWB on this forum. And noise:D:D. So, no. It just goes to show how subjective colour is. Not that there is much wrong with the the 240. AWB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 1, 2014 Posted July 1, 2014 Hi jaapv, Take a look here Release of 2.0.1.5 Firmware Update. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
TheGodParticle/Hari Posted July 1, 2014 Share #162 Posted July 1, 2014 TGP (TheGoddamnParticle) - I got home and had a chance to look at your pictures on my big monitor. Those are really great. Really is a nice camera system, isn't it? It will be interesting to see what is next from Leica that we can use our current and past lenses with. By the way, do you have another name besides The GoddamnParticle? Rick Thanks Rick. T'was a spectacular sunset and the M240 did a fantastic job getting out of my way with technicalities yet lay reassuringly in my hands, ready for anything I throw at it Yes, will be interesting indeed to see where Leica are headed to. I've been on onboard since the M9 days and absolutely loving it As the body technology improves, old favorite lenses are making a comeback. The images I posted were all shot with the M240 and the Elmar-M 50/2.8 Btw, you've been misreading the whole time - It's TheGodParticle, not the GoddamnParticle But, Hari works too Nice little write up on the FW update you wrote there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tookaphotoof Posted July 1, 2014 Share #163 Posted July 1, 2014 Simply put, I'm over the moon! Didn't actually had time yesterday, but updated the firmware late last night, which went flawless. I have been through its menu now trying some things like the horizon level, auto ISO, the exposure compensation and the permanent exposure simulation in live view. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted July 1, 2014 Share #164 Posted July 1, 2014 Charged my battery all night last night and when I put it in the camera this morning it was showing 90% even though both lights on the charger were solid..........strange I believe you're supposed to charge it until it smokes these days. Many thanks to the Leica firmware team; your ears must have been burning for the last few months. I hope you had a good release party. Looking forward to the updated user manual but one advantage to not having it is that those mean spirited folk who like to answer all questions with "RTFM" will have to stop for a while. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pappa Posted July 1, 2014 Share #165 Posted July 1, 2014 The auto iso fix ... can you set the minimum shutter speed to faster than 1/60 now? Been reading,reading & reading - but cannot find anything about that... thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted July 1, 2014 Share #166 Posted July 1, 2014 The auto iso fix ... can you set the minimum shutter speedto faster than 1/60 now? Been reading,reading & reading - but cannot find anything about that... thanks! Yes and you could before though strangely leica call it 'maximum' rather than 'minimum'. I have 2 profiles one for standard auto with a minimum of 1/125sec and a 'street' profile with a minimum of 1/500sec. With these the camera will keep these as the minimum speeds and will up the iso if they can't be met (has worked this way since the first FW) now we have auto iso in manual and a clearer info screen when you press the iso button Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest odeon Posted July 1, 2014 Share #167 Posted July 1, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes, LV is now mandatory to see the horizon. The technicality that odeon is getting at is; before, you could shoot Classic-OVF... no stinking LV EVF or LCD screen. You just pretend you have an M9 and access the Horizon from the menu, which didn't show you a LV image, just a black background. Now, for example, odeon can't use the new Classic Mode that disables the LV button because, the Horizon function is predicated on the use of LV. Hence, no Horizon function when you are trying to shoot the M240 as a classic OVF RF camera. He is still stuck with leaving the LV button active. I think he would have liked the "OFF" choice to have remained like it was in ver. 1.2. Then he could turn off the LV button (and the MOVIE button) and shoot in a fashion he enjoys... classic RF. When he wants the Horizon he could have accessed it through the MENU. He can't do that now. I think that is what he is getting at? Yes. I use the classic mode 99%. Live-view is just a pleasant feature for me. I should say that the horizon is useless for the majority of the users before the firmware update. Now, the horizon is effective. Unfortunately classic mode lovers can't use the horizon with version 2.0.1.5. Actually, the question is too simply: Leica M has a level, but it's only for live-view mode. Why? I'm expecting to add a new feature to INFO button when we use the camera in classic mode. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted July 1, 2014 Share #168 Posted July 1, 2014 Yes.I use the classic mode 99%. Live-view is just a pleasant feature for me. I should say that the horizon is useless for the majority of the users before the firmware update. Now, the horizon is effective. Unfortunately classic mode lovers can't use the horizon with version 2.0.1.5. Actually, the question is too simply: Leica M has a level, but it's only for live-view mode. Why? I'm expecting to add a new feature to INFO button when we use the camera in classic mode. I suppose that this is something that can be put forward for the next update (as has already been suggested) but I have to say that the previous iteration was so long winded to use as to be nearly useless. I can't imagine that many people will use wide-angle lenses with an OVF when it is so much easier to frame with the EVF. I use the WATE a lot of the time and find the EVF very useful and now it is easy to press the info button to check the horizon even hand held Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted July 1, 2014 Share #169 Posted July 1, 2014 For those who have forgotten, the FrankenFinder has a bubble level built in, so this is not new. Also even if exposure mode is set to classic/LV disabled, the EVF still works and can provide level/framing information. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 1, 2014 Author Share #170 Posted July 1, 2014 I can't imagine that many people will use wide-angle lenses with an OVF when it is so much easier to frame with the EVF. Ah yes and that great EVF is so much useful in bright light, so fast and silent to shoot with, so easy to focus on moving subjects... No more tunnel vision at last!... I wonder what's the point of those ridiculous windows on the top plate really... i will hide them with some tape soon or late... i think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tookaphotoof Posted July 1, 2014 Share #171 Posted July 1, 2014 David, because you simply have a lag firing the shutter with the evf. I like the permanent exposure simulation combined with the precise framing possibility 'and' the horizon option, but I think mainly when I have my camera on a tripod. Strolling the streets I will always the ovf. Even on a wide angle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 1, 2014 Share #172 Posted July 1, 2014 Yes.I use the classic mode 99%. Live-view is just a pleasant feature for me. I should say that the horizon is useless for the majority of the users before the firmware update. Now, the horizon is effective. Unfortunately classic mode lovers can't use the horizon with version 2.0.1.5. Actually, the question is too simply: Leica M has a level, but it's only for live-view mode. Why? I'm expecting to add a new feature to INFO button when we use the camera in classic mode. Let me get this straight. Before, you would use the OVF for framing and had the horizon on the LCD for straightening. I presume you were working from a tripod as you had to take your eye from the viewfinder to look at the LCD. Is this correct? If so, you can use the new configuration in exactly the same way, the only difference being that the image is displayed behind the horizon instead of a black screen. So: Put the camera on the tripod, open LV and set to Horizon, straighten and frame/focus through the OVF and take the image. Exactly the same workflow. There is no way that the horizon could be displayed in the OVF, nor is there a law that forbids you to use the combination of OVF and horizon as described above. In fact, it is precisely what you have been doing all the time. I'm sure that Leica could implement an option to disable the display of the image behind the horizon, but I cannot for the life of me see what the advantage would be, as it would not add anything to the way the camera operates and it would be an unnecessary complication in menu. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted July 1, 2014 Share #173 Posted July 1, 2014 Yes and you could before though strangely leica call it 'maximum' rather than 'minimum'. The maximum exposure time Leica talks about is the minimum shutter speed, so this is correct. In Germany we have no concept of ‘shutter speed’; we rather talk about the ‘Verschlusszeit’ (exposure time) – like measuring petrol consumption in litres per kilometre rather than miles per gallon. It should come as no surprise that I find it more natural to couch exposure in terms of time rather than speed, but it could be argued that this is objectively more logical in that the speed of the shutter blades has nothing to do with the ‘shutter speed’ (which is the inverse of the exposure time and not the speed of anything actually moving). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted July 1, 2014 Share #174 Posted July 1, 2014 David, because you simply have a lag firing the shutter with the evf. I like the permanent exposure simulation combined with the precise framing possibility 'and' the horizon option, but I think mainly when I have my camera on a tripod. Strolling the streets I will always the ovf. Even on a wide angle. Of course for street or any documetary work I always use classic mode and the OVF. In fact my most used lens is the 28 cron asph which I use for street work but when using the WATE for landscape work the lag is of no consequence and precise framing and the added advantage of have a live exposure reading are a real plus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted July 1, 2014 Share #175 Posted July 1, 2014 I really like this classic/LV disabled mode, the way it's implemented. I can use the OVF the way I have always done, and use the EVF the way I use the FrankenFinder, plus the added bonus of focusing on R lenses and a way to double critical focusing on narrow DOF lenses. It tucks LV away nicely. I just wish I could repurpose the button. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted July 1, 2014 Share #176 Posted July 1, 2014 For those who have forgotten, the FrankenFinder has a bubble level built in, so this is not new. Also even if exposure mode is set to classic/LV disabled, the EVF still works and can provide level/framing information. Very true and a short while ago due to problems with LV I had to get it out and use it with the WATE and yes it works but the EVF and 'horizon' function were sorely missed. In fact one of the really useful advantages I find with the EVF is being able to use it in upright mode as I find it much more natural to hold the camera at a lower level and look down into the viewfinder, exactly why I'm not 100% sure but for landscape work I prefer it that way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted July 1, 2014 Share #177 Posted July 1, 2014 The maximum exposure time Leica talks about is the minimum shutter speed, so this is correct. In Germany we have no concept of ‘shutter speed’; we rather talk about the ‘Verschlusszeit’ (exposure time) – like measuring petrol consumption in litres per kilometre rather than miles per gallon. It should come as no surprise that I find it more natural to couch exposure in terms of time rather than speed, but it could be argued that this is objectively more logical in that the speed of the shutter blades has nothing to do with the ‘shutter speed’ (which is the inverse of the exposure time and not the speed of anything actually moving). It is the same in Spanish. The correct term is "tiempo de exposición" or "time", and not "velocidad". But the translations from English have deteriorated our language, and we have lost precision. Another example is "lens". In Spanish the correct word is "objetivo", because "lente" is the small polished piece of glass (vidrio, no cristal) of which objectives are made. But you can read even in technical documents the word "lente" referring to "objetivo". And there are many more examples. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted July 1, 2014 Share #178 Posted July 1, 2014 Another example is "lens". In Spanish the correct word is "objetivo", because "lente" is the small polished piece of glass (vidrio, no cristal) of which objectives are made. But you can read even in technical documents the word "lente" referring to "objetivo". Again this is the same in German where we have ‘Linse’ for the individual glas element and ‘Objektiv’ for the lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 1, 2014 Share #179 Posted July 1, 2014 The maximum exposure time Leica talks about is the minimum shutter speed, so this is correct. In Germany we have no concept of ‘shutter speed’; we rather talk about the ‘Verschlusszeit’ (exposure time) – like measuring petrol consumption in litres per kilometre rather than miles per gallon. It should come as no surprise that I find it more natural to couch exposure in terms of time rather than speed, but it could be argued that this is objectively more logical in that the speed of the shutter blades has nothing to do with the ‘shutter speed’ (which is the inverse of the exposure time and not the speed of anything actually moving). Actually it would be more corrct to call it "shutter width" as the speed of the shutter is constant and the distance between the blades varies. Shutterspeed is meaningless. "My shutterspeed is 1/125th of a second." "I am riding my bicycle at a speed of 56 minutes ":confused: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdsheepdog Posted July 1, 2014 Share #180 Posted July 1, 2014 Is it just me simply not understanding this new bag of tricks, or has the diode indicator at the half button press gone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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