sanyasi Posted June 11, 2014 Share #21 Posted June 11, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Unless something new has been announced and it will be available next month, planning around update schedules is a sucker's game. There is always something new coming along, so playing this game often means buying nothing. My philosophy: If you need something to do the job, buy the best tool that is currently available for accomplishing the task now and don't worry about what might be coming. At the end of the day, very few of us are capable of pushing our current equipment to the limit, so the marginal improvements are usually not life and death decisions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dant Posted June 11, 2014 Share #22 Posted June 11, 2014 OP, even when announced it seems to take years to get one. If in no rush, keep waiting. I hope the M240 drops in price. I'd like a 3rd one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dant Posted June 11, 2014 Share #23 Posted June 11, 2014 I'm sure there will be a M240P eventually, with sapphire LCD glass and no red dot, and perhaps compatible with T's new EVF I didn't like the red dot on the 240. Now that I use MM and M I love the red dot so I don't grab the wrong one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dant Posted June 11, 2014 Share #24 Posted June 11, 2014 Unless something new has been announced and it will be available next month, planning around update schedules is a sucker's game. There is always something new coming along, so playing this game often means buying nothing. My philosophy: If you need something to do the job, buy the best tool that is currently available for accomplishing the task now and don't worry about what might be coming. At the end of the day, very few of us are capable of pushing our current equipment to the limit, so the marginal improvements are usually not life and death decisions. Yes, I have planned on new announcements and they never seem to pan out. When it is out and ready to ship I will look at it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dant Posted June 11, 2014 Share #25 Posted June 11, 2014 I have a similar problem which boils down to buy a M240 now or wait for the next version. I can probably only afford one M in my life time (or at least justify one ...). Starting to think about a second hand M-E (or MM) on the basis that: 1. They seem to not have the problems of the M9 (?) 2. M240 will loose 2-3k in value between now and the next version, while I see second hand M-E's listed for under 3k. 3. The next M (or MM) might get some interesting carryover from the T. The M-E looks nice enough to me I hope they drop that much. Then again a M360 may be a lot more $$, so the M240 would still be a bargain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dant Posted June 11, 2014 Share #26 Posted June 11, 2014 Like others, I don't expect to see any major revision to the M Typ 240, still less replacement, but Leica may offer some new cosmetics in the same way the M9-P was a change to the M9. Leica's focus will be on the T since that is where the business growth will come from. I'm sure we will see the 28mm Summilux-M and it will doubtless be paraded as the best thing since sliced bread... The biggest issue with the M Typ 240 is that you are buying into old EVF technology and Leica do not appear to have a way forwards. That for me, alone, would stop me buying an M Typ 240. Sad to say, it's old iron already because Leica has, again, forgotten to future-proof it. It may be old, but it is the only digital rangefinder out there. Only thing close is Fuji and Nikons giant manual dslr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dant Posted June 11, 2014 Share #27 Posted June 11, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Word of wisdom? If you need a rangefinder, the next M will be marginally better, if any, than the M240 so there is no serious reason to wait. But if you need an EVIL in the first place, the M240 is outdated i'm afraid compared to modern mirrorless cameras. Mirrorless is the way to go...if you don't need rangefinder, manual focus capability, manual f stops, manual shutter speeds. For me, the manual options are why I went to Leica. (Beside the small fLeica ootprint.) Some landscapers may like all the manual features on a Leica just for nostalgia. But shoot street and doc work and like them from need. If mirrorless new school cams worked better for me I'd use them. But they are too hard to adjust on the fly. Hell, I've lost many shots with the Fuji X. It wont shoot flash until it is all re-programmed. With the Leica I slap a flash on and it shoots...no fudging around. Isn't that worth $7000?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dant Posted June 11, 2014 Share #28 Posted June 11, 2014 Based on my brief experience, M "seems" outdated to other cameras except in IQ, ergonomics, usability and productivity. For the same type usage beats any other 35mm camera on the market. Whatever functionality/feature is not there when comparing to other cameras more likely is not needed or would be a nice to have. Definitely is worth buying an M, I am considering purchasing an M9 too. Shot this 2 weeks ago. Leica was the only thing out of my 6 Cam systems that could bring it home. Yes, I could had adapted a 4mm circular fish to the Fuji. But the IQ is terrible compared to the Leica with 8mm fish. zonefocused : Photo ...the guy never knew I shot him! (Image is a photo of a print. The original is sharper.) http://zonefocused.tumblr.com/image/87413445764 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie101 Posted June 12, 2014 Share #29 Posted June 12, 2014 Well, if you do not want a camera for at least a year or so, then wait. Don't forget that when the new M got announced it got released 6 months later, and was not available in quantity for another 6 months or more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted June 12, 2014 Share #30 Posted June 12, 2014 ^ I hope so, because it seems I just did Leica official demo, warranty, a grand less than a new one. Oh lord what have I done Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted June 13, 2014 Share #31 Posted June 13, 2014 maybe wait... who knows another company may come out with an M mount full frame optical RF camera that beats the pants of the M and costs exactly half as much. Stranger things have happened. And if not- there will probably be a slew of cheap 2nd hand M's on ePay as Camera fetishists dump them in order to get the next great thing... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted June 13, 2014 Share #32 Posted June 13, 2014 maybe wait... who knows another company may come out with an M mount full frame optical RF camera that beats the pants of the M and costs exactly half as much. Stranger things have happened. Actually I couldn’t think of anything less likely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted June 13, 2014 Share #33 Posted June 13, 2014 Really? So you think it is more likely that a talking dog with penguin wings will appear narrating this evenings news or can't you think of something as unlikely as that? Curious... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted June 13, 2014 Share #34 Posted June 13, 2014 Really? Yep. And I’m not even talking about the ‘beats the pants of the M and costs exactly half as much’ part. A digital rangefinder camera by any other vendor but Leica? Won’t happen. (Hint: Predictions similar to yours have been made year after year after year and have never come true.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 13, 2014 Share #35 Posted June 13, 2014 Epson did it in 2004 so all hope is not lost ten years later. Probability seems rather low though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnJWhite Posted June 13, 2014 Share #36 Posted June 13, 2014 I'm surprised Zeiss hasn't done it. They're film "M" body was just a rebadged Cosina, I believe. But they make some terrific M lenses with Cosina, and I'd think they would want to go head to head with Leica, as they did in years past. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted June 13, 2014 Share #37 Posted June 13, 2014 I'm surprised Zeiss hasn't done it. They're film "M" body was just a rebadged Cosina, I believe. But they make some terrific M lenses with Cosina, and I'd think they would want to go head to head with Leica, as they did in years past. So people have been saying, year after year. And it never came to pass. Because Zeiss has no intention of developing a digital Zeiss Ikon. And why would they, as long as Leica is making bodies taking Zeiss lenses? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted June 13, 2014 Share #38 Posted June 13, 2014 O I know only too well- year after year I myself have pined after such an alternative right here on this forum, and year after year you have chimed in and stated that it is never going to happen In those years we have watched as the Japanese manufacturers have gotten closer and closer to the Leica M. The Fuji X cameras starting with the X-100 got the closest with their hybrid finder and 'simulated' rf experience. Recently Sony has gotten close in terms of FF and compact design, and Nikon had a go in terms of Retro SLR styling... and also Leica has grown in popularity... As I probably mentioned years ago- the Konica Hexar RF, the Epson and the CV Bessa cameras show that an Optical RF mechanism does not need to cost the Earth. They are not made of diamonds. Combining that with a digital back and a quality EVF does not seem such a stretch these days. Each year I believe it becomes easier as technology progresses. Here is where we get to where you and I cross paths: you seem to think any company would be mad to do it- that there is no money in it for them. Case closed. I say there is a market! I think the Leica M cameras have become such an object of desire amongst the legions of camera enthusiasts, an object that they know is beyond their financial means, and they they cannot rationally justify. It is just too expensive. Should someone come up with a competing product that is half the price and arguably better in at least some respects: I believe there would be a very healthy albeit niche market for it. It seems odd to me that no other manufacturer would ever do what Leica does- as if only Leica could make such a venture profitable. Furthermore it also seems to me that in Japan there is a great love of the golden years of photography, of retro design, and cameras as essentially 'fetishistic' items. Both amongst the young and the old... and I don't see this mood dissipating any time soon- I see it is a trend that is picking up pace. in the final analysis you are seemingly right- at least to date- but I sincerely hope that ultimately you are wrong. Hopefully at this upcoming Photokina! :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnJWhite Posted June 13, 2014 Share #39 Posted June 13, 2014 Same reason they made the Contax, Contarex, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted June 13, 2014 Share #40 Posted June 13, 2014 O I know only too well- year after year I myself have pined after such an alternative right here on this forum, and year after year you have chimed in and stated that it is never going to happen In those years we have watched as the Japanese manufacturers have gotten closer and closer to the Leica M. The Fuji X cameras starting with the X-100 got the closest with their hybrid finder and 'simulated' rf experience. Recently Sony has gotten close in terms of FF and compact design, and Nikon had a go in terms of Retro SLR styling... and also Leica has grown in popularity... As I probably mentioned years ago- the Konica Hexar RF, the Epson and the CV Bessa cameras show that an Optical RF mechanism does not need to cost the Earth. They are not made of diamonds. Combining that with a digital back and a quality EVF does not seem such a stretch these days. Each year I believe it becomes easier as technology progresses. Here is where we get to where you and I cross paths: you seem to think any company would be mad to do it- that there is no money in it for them. Case closed. I say there is a market! I think the Leica M cameras have become such an object of desire amongst the legions of camera enthusiasts, an object that they know is beyond their financial means, and they they cannot rationally justify. It is just too expensive. Should someone come up with a competing product that is half the price and arguably better in at least some respects: I believe there would be a very healthy albeit niche market for it. It seems odd to me that no other manufacturer would ever do what Leica does- as if only Leica could make such a venture profitable. Furthermore it also seems to me that in Japan there is a great love of the golden years of photography, of retro design, and cameras as essentially 'fetishistic' items. Both amongst the young and the old... and I don't see this mood dissipating any time soon- I see it is a trend that is picking up pace. in the final analysis you are seemingly right- at least to date- but I sincerely hope that ultimately you are wrong. Hopefully at this upcoming Photokina! :-) Never going to happen. They would have to design a whole range of lenses the same as Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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