Wolfgang Esslinger Posted June 2, 2014 Share #21 Posted June 2, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Are we talking about dust or oil spots? And about how many? Oil on sensor is not acceptable, how often it is defended by some. It is a sign of poor design and a certain manufacturer had to replace such a faulty model after a short period (D600). If oil were normal what about fixed lens cameras where I can't clean the sensor? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tobey bilek Posted June 2, 2014 Share #22 Posted June 2, 2014 Service Dept. screw ups in New Jersey keeps me from buying more Leica gear. The other is dead pixel line issue. No other camera has this . Yes they get a dead or hot one, but you can clean it up pretty easily in PS, LR, or ACR. The line is way more difficult. I have to make a 1 px wide column and use content aware fill. So far it only shows at 2500. I will allow the real end user to post the story about the camera now back for the third time. Seems they repaired the original problem, then created a new more serious one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 2, 2014 Share #23 Posted June 2, 2014 Serv The other is dead pixel line issue. No other camera has this . Nonsense: Canon 70D - DEAD SENSOR PIXELS! Im not happy http://photo.net/nikon-camera-forum/00OIPq And many others, just use Google. Even scanners: http://photo.net/nikon-camera-forum/00YrQb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nick932 Posted June 3, 2014 Share #24 Posted June 3, 2014 Thanks all for your advices. My initial camera was replaced three times. Two of them because of spots. However, Leica offers free cleaning; which I received. I am not the type of person that could do the cleaning very well; in any case I should not be doing such a task. It is just hard to get rid off the M. Is a very friendly, extremely easy to use, fairly consistent, I rarely waste a shot - you can be really productive, no other camera I have experienced gave me the results that I get with this M. Based on these facts it is not an expensive camera. Overall, I am very happy with it. I wish Leica would have done better job on delivering a spotless camera. But they address the issue for free. Spots could be an Achilles heel. Finally, I think that I will keep the camera and I will not return it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nick932 Posted June 12, 2014 Share #25 Posted June 12, 2014 Finally the "Premier dealer" was caught selling Used equipment for New. I am not sure if the cameras were used or new but definitely did not work as expected. All equipment were returned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
justj Posted June 13, 2014 Share #26 Posted June 13, 2014 Finally the "Premier dealer" was caught selling Used equipment for New.I am not sure if the cameras were used or new but definitely did not work as expected. All equipment were returned. Please tell us more. Who's been caught selling used product as new? Also what didn't work as expected? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nick932 Posted June 28, 2014 Share #27 Posted June 28, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Please tell us more. Who's been caught selling used product as new? Also what didn't work as expected? I would not release any names...but "Premium dealers" is close and accurate enough also is a term used by Leica on their website. As far as issues it has been posted around in the forum...just too lazy to type all this again... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted June 28, 2014 Share #28 Posted June 28, 2014 So you are happy to let other people be sold second hand for new by this 'dealer' ? With the Leica warranty registration and Passport schemes it is hard to imagine how this can happen, but it is a kick in the teeth to all if you know definitely know a culprit and refuse to say who. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nick932 Posted June 28, 2014 Share #29 Posted June 28, 2014 So you are happy to let other people be sold second hand for new by this 'dealer' ? With the Leica warranty registration and Passport schemes it is hard to imagine how this can happen, but it is a kick in the teeth to all if you know definitely know a culprit and refuse to say who. Steve Amazing... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dant Posted June 29, 2014 Share #30 Posted June 29, 2014 I just spot them out with LR. Agreed with the comments on poor QC. I have 4 Leicas, (MM and M240) All bought new, all have spots from a few to lots of spots. I wont let Leica fool with it. The store I bought it from is across the country anyway. This pix had 15 to 20 spots. http://danielteolijrcurrent.tumblr.com/image/90113821726 Most of the time they don't show up that much. But if a pix has lots of sky and is hyper real they show up like crazy. Leica is magnificent in some areas and stinky in others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washington Posted June 29, 2014 Share #31 Posted June 29, 2014 Any digital camera can get dust on it's sensor when new. ALL of them. Now, if you don't wish to know how to clean a sensor, and blame the maker..... well, you don't deserve a digital camera! Period. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted June 29, 2014 Share #32 Posted June 29, 2014 no one responded to the question of cameras that have fixed lenses? How does one clean the oil from the sensor in such a case? And (as has been pointed out) if oil on the sensor is 'totally normal'- : why doesn't the manual include some information pertaining to this known 'bedding in' issue? For that matter shouldn't Leica include a sensor cleaning kit with the camera if all of this oil is so normal? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 29, 2014 Share #33 Posted June 29, 2014 Which fixed lens camera has a titanium curtain type shutter? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nick932 Posted June 29, 2014 Share #34 Posted June 29, 2014 Any digital camera can get dust on it's sensor when new. ALL of them. Now, if you don't wish toknow how to clean a sensor, and blame the maker..... well, you don't deserve a digital camera! Period. not true my EM1 is clean. does not get dust. it shakes it off. may be some dust will stay but i have not seen any the last 1000 shots and i have changed lenses many times. it seems that there are solutions. after all it takes just a few minutes to clean a sensor. the camera should be delivered free of defects, like dust. at least Leica offers a free cleaning. Not all people can perform a sensor cleaning. After all the consumer should know about it with great big letters this camera might be defective and your pictures will have interesting marks if you shoot over f16 and light color surfaces. Leica tells us that their cameras are impeccable, except that they have dirty sensors and freeze and not all functions might work. all they have to do is offer service and i am sure they do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 29, 2014 Share #35 Posted June 29, 2014 I just spot them out with LR. Agreed with the comments on poor QC. I have 4 Leicas, (MM and M240) All bought new, all have spots from a few to lots of spots. I wont let Leica fool with it. The store I bought it from is across the country anyway. This pix had 15 to 20 spots. Daniel D.Teoli Jr - Current Work : Photo Most of the time they don't show up that much. But if a pix has lots of sky and is hyper real they show up like crazy. Leica is magnificent in some areas and stinky in others. QC? How do you know the spots were there when the camera had its last inspection? If you don't want Leica to "fool" with it and don't want to clean it yourself, just look in the Yelow Pages for a sensor cleaning service in your area. Btw. You must be driving a pretty messy car if you refuse to clean your stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted June 29, 2014 Share #36 Posted June 29, 2014 enough with the car analogies already- Please:rolleyes: cleaning the sensor is a somewhat scary proposition and certainly nothing like cleaning a car. Make a mistake cleaning a sensor and you can severely damage your cameras performance requiring well over $1000 to repair and possibly a few months of down time... Scratch your car paint work a little and the car will still perform perfectly requiring no immediate action. The two things cannot be compared. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 29, 2014 Share #37 Posted June 29, 2014 Lighten up mate. There are many things that appear scary. Yet we do it all the time. You must have missed the first part of my post... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted June 29, 2014 Share #38 Posted June 29, 2014 Until leica bring out some sort of sensor self cleaning mechanism like most of manufactures dust is always going to be an issue to a lesser or greater extent. Even with a brand new camera if you put a lens on that has some dust on it's back element it could migrate to the sensor in just a few shots. Personally I always blow out the camera chamber with a filtered blower when changing the lens and I use it to blow off dust from the back of the lens and the lens cap. Occasionally I will clean the sensor with the blower and the eyelead lollipop. If things get very bad and I can't get rid of dust with these methods I will take the camera to Leica Mayfair (luckily I live in London) for a free sensor clean or I will do a wet clean myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted June 29, 2014 Share #39 Posted June 29, 2014 Leica Mayfair in London will do a free sensor clean- just about any time you like? That would be great- I really wish I could get that here... is that just a Mayfair thing or do all Leica boutiques offer such a wonderful service? Only whilst under warranty? I hardly ever clean my sensor- other than using a blower. Every so often I ask my camera tech to wet clean under his stereo microscope. Even after such cleans I see spots reappearing pretty quickly ( I change lenses frequently) ... - so I just end up doing a lot of spot removal in LR - mostly from skies. Unfortunately I did find making large prints- that spots show up even on very busy dark backgrounds where you could never find them on a computer monitor. Most viewers would never notice them but I do and it annoys me... - O well- there used to be dust on negatives and slides... and no easy clone tools. But it would be nice if Leica implemented a self cleaning sensor in their next iteration. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdriceman Posted June 29, 2014 Share #40 Posted June 29, 2014 QC? ...just look in the Yelow Pages... What are these "Yellow Pages" you speak of? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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