colonel Posted April 11, 2014 Share #141 Posted April 11, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) That's right, Stu. And as I recall, they had to drag the loyalists kicking and screaming to profitability.Cheers, Mike quite and remember that loyalists get families sometimes too A mate of mine could only go Cayenne to keeps his Porsche whilst pleasing the wife ... Keeping as many target markets open as possible might annoy the die-hard loyalists but makes sense for the bottom line and helps to fund the iconic products Not every product needs to shoot the lights out against some arbitrary bleeding edge spec. rating as long as it has enough of the DNA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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stuny Posted April 11, 2014 Share #142 Posted April 11, 2014 Also note that Porsche's non-sports cars have not damaged the reputation or desirability of the sports cars. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted April 11, 2014 Share #143 Posted April 11, 2014 Stuart, I think that is a poor analogy. Porsche's non-sports car offerings would stand up well to rigorous inspection even if they didn't wear the Stuttgart crest. The Panamera and Cayenne are competent, state of the art machines that are credible in 2014. They share a family resemblance with the 911 without descending to pastiche. They keep their resale value. They keep up with - and often outperform - similar vehicles in their class. Not a good analogy at all... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted April 11, 2014 Share #144 Posted April 11, 2014 Stuart, I think that is a poor analogy. Porsche's non-sports car offerings would stand up well to rigorous inspection even if they didn't wear the Stuttgart crest. The Panamera and Cayenne are competent, state of the art machines that are credible in 2014. They share a family resemblance with the 911 without descending to pastiche. They keep their resale value. They keep up with - and often outperform - similar vehicles in their class. Not a good analogy at all... Not true The cayenne is based on the Touareg and has horrendous depreciation, £20k the second you drive it out of the garage The XV, on the other hand, is quite similar in operation and looks and build to the M240, albeit smaller. The lens, in terms of the range and aperture it covers, is state of the art. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted April 11, 2014 Share #145 Posted April 11, 2014 Inconvenient things, facts... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/10073196/Top-depreciation-beaters-revealed.html "The Porsche Cayenne tops this list, holding on to 84.2% of its original price after three years". Sent from another Galaxy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted April 11, 2014 Share #146 Posted April 11, 2014 To you perhaps. I use them as foundations. 16% is off dealers price + %age hit for consumer is easily £20k off £70k car and we are not even at the £100k model. The Porsche analogy to the XV stands, particularly if you look at second hand prices at either dealers or ebay In fact the cheapest price, £1,650 is 15% off the new price of £1,949. Better then the cayenne ? - whoops, inconvenient things facts ..... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Martin Posted April 11, 2014 Share #147 Posted April 11, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) According to Business Week, Volkswagen makes in average $23,200 from each 911 sold:D! I think that was actually the average profit margin across the whole range of cars. That's a nice profit on every car sold Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted April 11, 2014 Share #148 Posted April 11, 2014 To you... I was addressing Stuart, and anyone else who values reality over hyperbole. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted April 11, 2014 Share #149 Posted April 11, 2014 I was addressing Stuart, and anyone else who values reality over hyperbole. Hyperbole (/haɪˈpɜrbəliː/ hy-PUR-bə-lee;[1] Greek: ὑπερβολή hyperbolē, "exaggeration") is the use of exaggeration as a rhetorical device or figure of speech. It may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression ...... "The XV a mis-launched, over-hyped, overpriced, under-specified tinker-toy. Read my post earlier in this thread. Leica has lost it's way. I despair for its future. Meanwhile the money that I used to spend on Leica goes elsewhere. YMMV. Sent from another Galaxy __________________ Bill Palmer Gentleman Amateur & Fuji Ambassador emeritus" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted April 11, 2014 Share #150 Posted April 11, 2014 LoL! Thank you for re-airing my OPINION for the benefit of latecomers. Meanwhile, back in the real world... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 11, 2014 Share #151 Posted April 11, 2014 OK folks, you have been put on notice… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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