arthury Posted March 11, 2014 Share #1 Posted March 11, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) How do you get the film mode (specifically B&W) to show up in the JPG? I set it to record DNG+JpgFine. When it is transferred to LR, both of them were in color. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted March 11, 2014 Share #2 Posted March 11, 2014 Sorry, I can't help. Never used it, never will..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke_Miller Posted March 11, 2014 Share #3 Posted March 11, 2014 I haven't used it either, but I believe for the B&W jpeg mode the camera sets a flag in the file that tells the camera to display the jpeg in B&W on the camera LCD. B&W mode dos not actually produce a jpeg without color information (like a Monochrom jpeg). The B&W flag is ignored by Lightroom so you see the jpeg in color. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthury Posted March 11, 2014 Author Share #4 Posted March 11, 2014 Sorry, user error. I did not set the Film Mode correctly, which I thought I did. So, it does reduce the Jpg to monochrome and sets the B&W Filters, tonality (if you set those in the Menu) in both these situations: Viewing on the camera's LCD Transferred file in LR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted March 11, 2014 Share #5 Posted March 11, 2014 Too bad it works only for JPGs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 11, 2014 Share #6 Posted March 11, 2014 :confused:How could it work otherwise? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke_Miller Posted March 11, 2014 Share #7 Posted March 11, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) I haven't used it either, but I believe for the B&W jpeg mode the camera sets a flag in the file that tells the camera to display the jpeg in B&W on the camera LCD. B&W mode dos not actually produce a jpeg without color information (like a Monochrom jpeg). The B&W flag is ignored by Lightroom so you see the jpeg in color. Obviously I was mistaken on all counts. The jpeg produced in B&W mode (from my M9) is, in fact, a grayscale image with no color data and displays as such in Lightroom. I can see some usefulness to the mode in verifying exposure if I know the final version of the DNG will be B&W. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted March 11, 2014 Share #8 Posted March 11, 2014 Canon and Sony raw converters have the same settings as the camera and you can select any film mode to process the raw file. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthury Posted March 11, 2014 Author Share #9 Posted March 11, 2014 Obviously I was mistaken on all counts. The jpeg produced in B&W mode (from my M9) is, in fact, a grayscale image with no color data and displays as such in Lightroom. I can see some usefulness to the mode in verifying exposure if I know the final version of the DNG will be B&W. It's actually quite useful for wedding photographers who are handling hundreds of images for B&W packages. I have seen compelling JPG images straight out of M9's when the B&W options are set correctly. I know fine arts photographers will probably seldom use this feature. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthury Posted March 11, 2014 Author Share #10 Posted March 11, 2014 Canon and Sony raw converters have the same settings as the camera and you can select any film mode to process the raw file. Wow, I learn something new everyday. So, Canon and SONY call it RAW but they process the images? I am not questioning you but more so directed at them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 11, 2014 Share #11 Posted March 11, 2014 Canon and Sony raw converters have the same settings as the camera and you can select any film mode to process the raw file. So you mean the presets of the cameras are replicated by the proprietary raw converters. That is not surprising. ACR has its own B&W processing workflow. However the raw data out of the cameras surely have the colour information enclosed and will be handled like any other raw data by third-party raw converters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david strachan Posted March 12, 2014 Share #12 Posted March 12, 2014 Yes, ACR is sensational for processing colour to B&W. Any JPG will open and using the HSL/Grayscale allows complete control on any particular colour change brightness. This allows a very wide processing of colour images to B&W. I know it's really made for DNG files, but I use it a lot for JPG's as well; even from Canon or Fuji. Great program, one of my favourites. cheers Dave S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthury Posted March 12, 2014 Author Share #13 Posted March 12, 2014 Wow, I learn something new everyday. So, Canon and SONY call it RAW but they process the images? I am not questioning you but more so directed at them. Sorry, I misread your post. Yes, Nikon has the same thing in their CaptureNX2 where you can use B&W filters, control the tonality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted March 12, 2014 Share #14 Posted March 12, 2014 So you mean the presets of the cameras are replicated by the proprietary raw converters. That is not surprising. ACR has its own B&W processing workflow. However the raw data out of the cameras surely have the colour information enclosed and will be handled like any other raw data by third-party raw converters. I meant that it would have been nice if ACR remembers the jpg settings when the raw file is opened as happens with canon and Sony converters. This saves a lot of time. Besides, the camera jpgs have nicer color than ACR and that is not a surprise. Adobe has always been behind in color reproduction compared to manufacturers own raw converters. I think it is not rocket science for Leica to make it's own raw converter that emulates the jpg engine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 12, 2014 Share #15 Posted March 12, 2014 I cannot follow the remark about Adobe colours. I profile the camera and seem to have quite good colour control in ACR. I would agree that Capture One Pro is the optimal program for subtle colour tweaks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenicolas Posted March 12, 2014 Share #16 Posted March 12, 2014 using the HSL/Grayscale allows complete control on any particular colour change brightness. This allows a very wide processing of colour images to B&W. Yes, being able to adjust luminosity channel by channel when converting to b&w is fantastic. That's the reason why as much as I love b&w photography I could never switch to a monochrom. When shooting film I use an orange or red filter and accept that my image is what it is. But with digital I'm just too used to having that kind of control. We've been spoiled! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PabloR Posted March 15, 2014 Share #17 Posted March 15, 2014 Don't you mind the real problem of film mode? If you are shooting for example, "soft color", you are watching an histogram and contrast on camera based on that jpg film style. BUT AFTER There is no way to recover Leica adjustments and apply on a raw file, no way!! Why? I love soft color mode, i would like to import files to Lr and process the files starting at the point leica leave with the "film mode" style. LEICA You need your own raw editing tool! excuse my english and regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted March 15, 2014 Share #18 Posted March 15, 2014 Don't you mind the real problem of film mode? If you are shooting for example, "soft color", you are watching an histogram and contrast on camera based on that jpg film style. BUT AFTER There is no way to recover Leica adjustments and apply on a raw file, no way!! Why? I love soft color mode, i would like to import files to Lr and process the files starting at the point leica leave with the "film mode" style. LEICA You need your own raw editing tool! excuse my english and regards If you like the soft colour, then just have the camera save a JPEG... then you will get the effect... what is the gain by having Lightroom do the same as the camera can do... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PabloR Posted March 15, 2014 Share #19 Posted March 15, 2014 If you like the soft colour, then just have the camera save a JPEG... then you will get the effect... what is the gain by having Lightroom do the same as the camera can do... Maybe I am not explaining myself correctly. Well. Leica have two color mode. Flat colors curve, where you can change contrast, saturation and sharpness. The other hand they give the film modes. That are curves they design in the way to have a old film look. So. When you import your raws, and this not only happen with Leica, all your metadata desapear. And know your raw is render under the engine and profiles of Adobe. With color charts Adobe make an profile for the M240. We are lucky, probably for a partner relation, to have the possibility of choose the "embedded" profile. One question in this way is, that profile is created by Leica or by Adobe? In the camera the profile, luminosity curve, saturation by channel, tone by channel, and the very important color curves, are applied to the raw and exported to a jpg file. Thats is what happen to the guy who begun the discussion. --- There is no option to recover that adjustments on Lightroom! Leica doesn't give their curves to their customers for any reason I cannot understand. So, the last thing you can do to get the same "effect" as you said, is to emulate that curves by your self. Impossible in my opinion. --- Other brands, as hasselblad, applied their curves on their own raw developer, Phocus. And believe, the results are so naturals. Lightroom have the best workflow, but is far to work with it in the way you could do that as if you were working with an specific tool developed by themself. --- I mean that i want that adjustments as a preset made by Leica to Lightroom. With that I could correct the curve adjusting it to the contrasts and tones of each capture. And NOT start to process with flat curves to all my files. I just said that i liked very much their soft color curve, but i cannot work whit it on the raw workflow. Why? JPG is not enough accurate as a raw file, and I spend hours and hours adjusting the raws, and i hate it! regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PabloR Posted March 15, 2014 Share #20 Posted March 15, 2014 For most situation i spend 20% shooting and 80% editing. That is crazy! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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