sblutter Posted February 6, 2014 Share #21 Posted February 6, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm a working pro and M user for 40 years The M9 is everything I ever wanted in an M. Recently bought a new M-E for back-up just in case. My orig 9 has never had a problem. To me, its simply perfect - exhibited & sold huge prints, shot in all sorts of situations - no prob. As for bits of kit, I recc: Thumbie (on Ebay) Luigi's 2 door replacement bottom plate Leicatime Luigi Crescenzi : leica cameras leica compur mp elmar 250 reporter leicavit Any simple screen protector - it scratches a bit easily Extra battery And for fun, a black dot Enjoy! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BrianUK Posted February 6, 2014 Share #22 Posted February 6, 2014 YLS1, I am aware the RFF have a section devoted to M digital problems, I’m a member. I wouldn’t expect otherwise, the forum is dedicated to rangefinders in general and Leicas especially. However, in my book facts require verifiable back up and documentation, not conjecture gleaned from the Internet, however apparently genuine. Do you have a detailed analysis of failures from the major manufacturers for comparison? Because without verifiable documentation, one has no way of knowing how failures occurred and to what extent. Yes, I agree with you, there have and are M9 failures, just as there are with every other camera. I recognise and understand this. As I wrote ‘every camera has issues’. But the issue here is whether there is proof that the ‘M9 and M8 have more known issues than any other cameras’ rather than supposition. You compile a long and scary list. Was this research done before you purchased your M9? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLS1 Posted February 6, 2014 Share #23 Posted February 6, 2014 I did a lot of research before buying and felt most of the problems had been ironed out but was wrong. If you want a list I think there'a a survey of problems on RFF. You know that no manufacture will release a detailed list of problems. Yes every maker has a percentage of problematic cameras but when reading the internet it doesn't take long to see who has their act together and who doesn't. Enough said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 6, 2014 Share #24 Posted February 6, 2014 Count them : four M9 problem threads on RFF since July…. If you are panicked by this kind of thing you’ll never buy something decent… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcraf Posted February 6, 2014 Share #25 Posted February 6, 2014 I did a lot of research before buying and felt most of the problems had been ironed out but was wrong. If you want a list I think there'a a survey of problems on RFF. You know that no manufacture will release a detailed list of problems. Yes every maker has a percentage of problematic cameras but when reading the internet it doesn't take long to see who has their act together and who doesn't. Enough said. Then stick to Nikon and Canon. As a pro, I'm surprised it took you 45 years to realise how 'poor' Leica was. And if we're talking digital, you've had around 15 years to move to Nikon or Canon digital pro dSLRs. If you've nothing good to say about Leica digital products, then I suggest you post elsewhere. Although we recognise there are occasional problems, as with any product, most people here are quite fond of them. It's a Leica forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigitalHeMan Posted February 6, 2014 Share #26 Posted February 6, 2014 12K in two years is nothing to brag about. I'm not trying to be ugly to anyone but that's nothing in the world of professional camera use. 12K a week or even a month is what the camera should take. On some jobs I shoot 12K in three days. 12000 shots in three days is an average of almost 3 photos per minute, assuming you don't sleep or take a break for the entire 72 hours. I'm curious to know what you are shooting that requires such a high number of shots to document. I'm also curious to see how you post process those shot after you get home.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianUK Posted February 6, 2014 Share #27 Posted February 6, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) YLS1, I'm sorry you've had problems with your M9. Patently others haven't. To cite dubious and unverifiable sources in an attempt to back up a poor argument, won't wash. People bitching on the internet about a particular camera for whatever reason are not facts. I'm no Leica apologist. Or Nikon. Or Canon. All of which I've used both professionally and in a amateur capacity over many years. At some point all will fail. Without verifiable and demonstrable facts and evidence, you and no one else can justify the statement that one camera manufacturer or another is better or worse with regards to failure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pragmatist Posted February 6, 2014 Share #28 Posted February 6, 2014 Let me just say to the OP that I have had 2 M9's and neither had any problems whatsoever, superb performance right out of the box and will also be getting my third one in a few days and though obviously 2nd hand I am anticipating no problems. Just make sure it comes with a dealer warranty. Leica if anything appear to be very good if any problems do arise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLS1 Posted February 6, 2014 Share #29 Posted February 6, 2014 If you are panicked by this kind of thing you’ll never buy something decent… Not so, I use Hasselblad digital and Nikon. Both are outstanding. I make a living as a commercial and documentary photographer and clients don't look kindly on photographers spending their time trying to get their equipment to work and aren't very happy if equipment fails and the images are lost. In some cases, particularly documentary work, the shot will never happen again. One time is all you get. It's not like taking it on vacation, tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars ride on dependable equipment. For the mentioned reasons I can never depend on my Leica in a critical shoot. My Hasselblad system and my Nikon system, no problem. In all the years of using Hasselblad digital, Canon and Nikon in my work I've never lost an image. I'm talking several million frames. I will say in the near half century of using M film cameras I've only lost a hand full of rolls when the shutter on my MP failed and didn't cap when I wound the film. Very rare! The same is true of nearly that same period of using Nikon film cameras. With them I've never lost a frame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLS1 Posted February 6, 2014 Share #30 Posted February 6, 2014 YLS1, I'm sorry you've had problems with your M9. Patently others haven't. To cite dubious and unverifiable sources in an attempt to back up a poor argument, won't wash. People bitching on the internet about a particular camera for whatever reason are not facts. I'm no Leica apologist. Or Nikon. Or Canon. All of which I've used both professionally and in a amateur capacity over many years. At some point all will fail. Without verifiable and demonstrable facts and evidence, you and no one else can justify the statement that one camera manufacturer or another is better or worse with regards to failure. I guess this apples to those of you that gush about your camera. How do you verify this is true or is it just fanboy gushing to be coo and par of the group. Not trying to insult you but the reverse is true as well. There are those that get on the hate wagon just because it's cool and those that get on the love train just to bee cool. There's a group that no matter how bad the camera was they would love it because it's a leica. The same is true of those that hate the camera because it's Leica. Verify your position with facts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackstraw Posted February 6, 2014 Share #31 Posted February 6, 2014 Had my M9-P for a year and a half. It has performed perfectly. All it has done has been to rekindle my love of photography and make me a better photographer. I think you are going to be overjoyed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pragmatist Posted February 6, 2014 Share #32 Posted February 6, 2014 Forums, you gotta love em Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pragmatist Posted February 6, 2014 Share #33 Posted February 6, 2014 Had my M9-P for a year and a half. It has performed perfectly. All it has done has been to rekindle my love of photography and make me a better photographer. I think you are going to be overjoyed. Yes and herein lies the answer, forget about mine works better than yours and my brand has never let me down so forth so forth, the reason for many with Leica is that it has rekindled their love for photography and they enjoy that particular medium irrespective of whether or not it has flaws. Enjoy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianUK Posted February 6, 2014 Share #34 Posted February 6, 2014 ...Verify your position with facts. Exactly, YLS1. My point entirely. I'm not holding my breath. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
w44neg Posted February 6, 2014 Author Share #35 Posted February 6, 2014 Thanks for all the views. I tried a Fuji X100s today but it just didn't feel the same. An easier setup to use I'm sure but not a Leica in terms of feel, and I'm sure the same goes for IQ also. So with the warranty I'll have, and the fact that the shop will lend me a camera if mine goes wrong and needs to be sent away, I'm prepared to "risk it" if that's even applicable, and try out a camera system I've always aspired to own. I purchased a new Nikon today and that's incredible too, but it's not very portable. Now I just need to decide 100% on the lens option for the Leica. 28 or 35mm:confused: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 6, 2014 Share #36 Posted February 6, 2014 Not so, I use Hasselblad digital and Nikon. Both are outstanding. I make a living as a commercial and documentary photographer and clients don't look kindly on photographers spending their time trying to get their equipment to work and aren't very happy if equipment fails and the images are lost. In some cases, particularly documentary work, the shot will never happen again. One time is all you get. It's not like taking it on vacation, tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars ride on dependable equipment. For the mentioned reasons I can never depend on my Leica in a critical shoot. My Hasselblad system and my Nikon system, no problem. In all the years of using Hasselblad digital, Canon and Nikon in my work I've never lost an image. I'm talking several million frames. I will say in the near half century of using M film cameras I've only lost a hand full of rolls when the shutter on my MP failed and didn't cap when I wound the film. Very rare! The same is true of nearly that same period of using Nikon film cameras. With them I've never lost a frame. You have no idea of the price of my vacations .But you are missing my point. I meant attaching too much importance to Internet scribbling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmldds Posted February 6, 2014 Share #37 Posted February 6, 2014 You will love it. I had an M8 for a year with no problem at all, an M9 for 2.5 years with no problem. I sold my M9 to help pay for my Monochrom, but ended up buying another M9. It is a great camera for travels and most tasks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pragmatist Posted February 6, 2014 Share #38 Posted February 6, 2014 Thanks for all the views. I tried a Fuji X100s today but it just didn't feel the same. Now I just need to decide 100% on the lens option for the Leica. 28 or 35mm:confused: Gotta be the 35mm Cron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted February 6, 2014 Share #39 Posted February 6, 2014 M digital is a wonderful tool. For 95 % the image quality a 7100 Nikon and a zoom lens will get more pics with less weight & size & far less cost. Have both. No digi cam is worth anything without profileing it for color and using proper WB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
w44neg Posted February 6, 2014 Author Share #40 Posted February 6, 2014 Gotta be the 35mm Cron. Thanks, can you give me your reasoning and the types of photos you mainly aim for? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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