MarkP Posted September 7, 2014 Share #41 Posted September 7, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Jaap, the do you have experience with either lens? Is anyone else able to comment on these two 180mm R lenses? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 7, 2014 Posted September 7, 2014 Hi MarkP, Take a look here Leica R APO Telyt 180/3.4 vs. Leica R 80-200 F4. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jaapv Posted September 7, 2014 Share #42 Posted September 7, 2014 I just sold my 3.4 APO, which I have owned, on and off, for decades. A very good lens, but with the arrival of a 80-200 it had to go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted September 7, 2014 Share #43 Posted September 7, 2014 I just sold my 3.4 APO, which I have owned, on and off, for decades. A very good lens, but with the arrival of a 80-200 it had to go. So I assume you're telling me that the 4.0/80-200 is the better lens - both optically and the convenience of the zoom? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 7, 2014 Share #44 Posted September 7, 2014 Optically I find little to choose, although I suspect the Telyt has the edge in resolution, which one would not see on the final image. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted September 7, 2014 Share #45 Posted September 7, 2014 So why sell the APO-Telyt? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted September 7, 2014 Share #46 Posted September 7, 2014 So why sell the APO-Telyt? Hi Mark, Well, I have both the Leica R APO Telyt 180/3.4 and Leica R 80-200 F4. I got the APO 180/3.4 first. Later I learned about the Vario 80-200/4 and bought that too. The Vario 80-200/4 is the largest Leica lens I can shoot handheld and focus well on a Sony A7R or NEX camera, or for that matter on an Olympus E-M5 or E-M1. It's the lens I use typically for shorter distances and when zooming is beneficial. As I understand it from reading the forum the APO 180/3.4 seems optimized for long distances as it was developed by Leica at the request of a branch of the US Armed Forces. It also is a bit lighter and smaller than the Vario 80-200/4. So, I prefer to use the APO 180/3.4 mostly set to infinity for far away subjects, like extremely high flying migrating cranes or distant landscapes. So, I will keep both. Here is a shot http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/nature-wildlife/260742-smoke-sunset-migrating-cranes.html taken with APO 180/3.4. The shot even captured the 3 Sunspots visible at that time. Of course, now the current Sunspots look very different. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Here is one http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/nature-wildlife/272145-house-finch-color-matched.html shot with the Vario 80-200/4. Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Here is one http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/nature-wildlife/272145-house-finch-color-matched.html shot with the Vario 80-200/4. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/220952-leica-r-apo-telyt-18034-vs-leica-r-80-200-f4/?do=findComment&comment=2665599'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 7, 2014 Share #47 Posted September 7, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) So why sell the APO-Telyt? I wouldn't use it, I only keep a very limited number of R lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted September 8, 2014 Share #48 Posted September 8, 2014 Here http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/2776653-post33.html is a nice quote from Andy Piper, alias adan: "R lenses: only one I sold and bought back (several times) is the 180 f/3.4 APO. SO hi-res and SO free of CA that it can handle teleconverters and still equal most longer primes. So it is also my "250 f/4.5," my "360 f/6.8" and my "500 f/9." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.liam Posted September 8, 2014 Share #49 Posted September 8, 2014 Thanks Jaap - that would suit me, but how about the second part of my question regarding comparing the optical quality of the to lenses at similar apertures? I see that the 3.4/180 was designed in the 1970's, way before the 80-200 and the 2.8/180 but is there that much difference in IQ? Erwin Puts has a white paper on R telephotos that may help some: http://leica-camera.pl/wp-content/downloads/Puts_Column_180-280_mm_Leica_R_Lenses_en.pdf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted September 9, 2014 Share #50 Posted September 9, 2014 I think that the 3.4/180 APO-Telyt would suit my needs perfectly as a fixed 180 but I wonder whether I'd always wish I bought the 2.8/180 APO-Elmarit.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 9, 2014 Share #51 Posted September 9, 2014 Training of the Biceps? It is scarcely possible to use that lens handheld. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted September 9, 2014 Share #52 Posted September 9, 2014 Does the 220 gm difference in weight make that much difference to hand-holdability? Though I wouldn't have thought that the 1/2 stop increase in speed would make any significance with respect to faster shutter speeds to offset the weight. Also, we can now get away with higher ISO of good quality than film or early digital days. Also, I would then have a much lighter wallet if I bought the 2.8, so overall I would be carrying much less weight around Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jank Posted September 13, 2014 Share #53 Posted September 13, 2014 How do you mount the 180 on a tripod? It requires a tripod mount ring capable of holding 60-62mm DIA tube. Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted September 13, 2014 Share #54 Posted September 13, 2014 I'm considering using it on the M240. The Leica R to M adapter has a tripod mount. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted September 13, 2014 Share #55 Posted September 13, 2014 How do you mount the 180 on a tripod? It requires a tripod mount ring capable of holding 60-62mm DIA tube. Jan Would the Leica STA-1 collar fit perhaps? Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 13, 2014 Share #56 Posted September 13, 2014 Does the 220 gm difference in weight make that much difference to hand-holdability? Though I wouldn't have thought that the 1/2 stop increase in speed would make any significance with respect to faster shutter speeds to offset the weight. Also, we can now get away with higher ISO of good quality than film or early digital days. Also, I would then have a much lighter wallet if I bought the 2.8, so overall I would be carrying much less weight around Not just the weight difference but also the weight distribution. On the 3.4 it is weighted closer to the mount. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted September 13, 2014 Share #57 Posted September 13, 2014 Not just the weight difference but also the weight distribution. On the 3.4 it is weighted closer to the mount. Thanks Jaap. That makes a lot of sense. K-H and Adan's comments about the APO-Telyt are also reassuring. I'll start hunting around for a good a late production 3.4/180 APO-Telyt. Anyone out there selling one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted September 14, 2014 Share #58 Posted September 14, 2014 Anyone out there selling one? Never ! The 180/3.4 is the best quality/compactness tele around. An integral part of my M kit (you can even carry it in your pocket). There's just one huge problem with this lens though: once you get into apochromatic lenses, there ain't no coming back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted September 14, 2014 Share #59 Posted September 14, 2014 I owned the Minolta-made 70-210/4 lens and got swept up in the Koolaid and bought the Kyocera-made 80-200/4 expecting it would be vastly superior. It wasn't. It was longer, heavier and a 2-touch, making it harder to hold steady and shoot quickly hand-held. Sold it. When I got my M240 the first and probably only R lens I repurchased was the 70-210. For $200. It's really the bargain of the century in R lenses these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted September 14, 2014 Share #60 Posted September 14, 2014 Thanks Jaap. That makes a lot of sense.K-H and Adan's comments about the APO-Telyt are also reassuring. I'll start hunting around for a good a late production 3.4/180 APO-Telyt. Anyone out there selling one? Keep a look out. They come up from time to time when some poor misguided soul like Jaap makes a rare mistake. (It won't be me though. It's irreplaceable.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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