jaapv Posted January 5, 2014 Share #41 Posted January 5, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Not if the goods are handled in a managed security chain and shipped by a certified consignor. Otherwise yes, it is part of the security process (EU Reg. 300/2008). Sea containers arriving in the Rotterdam Harbour are spot-checked by X-Ray as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 5, 2014 Posted January 5, 2014 Hi jaapv, Take a look here M240 and X1 dead after flight. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
pgk Posted January 5, 2014 Share #42 Posted January 5, 2014 The SD card cannot be reformatted on my Macintosh computer. It can be erased, but that is all. Unless I am overlooking something really simple. Try this: https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter_4/ which will format the cards to 'standard' settings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted January 5, 2014 Share #43 Posted January 5, 2014 Just for speculation, there have just been two big solar flares: Two Solar Flares Say Goodbye 2013 and Welcome 2014 | NASA Second one (Jan-1 1:52 PM EST) was rated M9.9, and I wonder if something like this can cause issues to flash memory, where firmware is stored. Any expert in this forum ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravastar Posted January 5, 2014 Share #44 Posted January 5, 2014 Never put electronic items in checked luggage. Condensation can be a real problem. Several times when travelling from the UK to Sydney I have found metal items in my checked bag to be very wet. During the flight the air temperature in parts of the cargo hold can be as low as -30 deg. C with the external temp at -55 deg. C. If there are stop overs/landings at high humidity locations such as Bangkok condensation results. If you remove batteries you are still not safe since many items have a clock/memory which is kept alive by a non removable internal battery. Bob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted January 5, 2014 Share #45 Posted January 5, 2014 ...continuation It appears that a CMOS sensor is sensitive to high-dose RX for ex. 5DII sensor : Airport Security XRay Damage To 5D Mark II: Canon EOS-1D / 5D / 6D Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted January 5, 2014 Share #46 Posted January 5, 2014 Sorry for your loss . Hopefully they will be up and running soon. BTW, are the cameras insured? To echo comments made above I would never risk my camera gear in checked luggage in the hold. It stays with me as I would not want to risk loss or damage with it out of my control. I too have never had a problem with airport security, or any security for that matter, regarding my camera gear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tanks Posted January 5, 2014 Share #47 Posted January 5, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) I believe, and I may be wrong, and if so apologies all round, that we have a member whose business works within the operation of airport baggage handling. Possibly he may be able to shed some light on what goes on, and what recourse exists, within the US at least. I notice he has not posted to this thread, so maybe PM to "TANKS" and ask him. He did PM me. All checked luggage in the States goes through a CTX scanner which is a medium/high intensity X-Ray machine. If it passes, then the software lets the luggage go through, if it does not pass then it is routed to the TSA inspectors prior to making it to the plane. This machine will wipe out all electronic media as well as film. It might even wipe out the EEPROM where the firmware is stored in cameras etc.. I have had a similar thing happened to me, my sister actually put an iPad I was sending to my mother in her luggage and it was DOA. Now, the machines are not supposed to impact the actual electronics, but the airlines are cutting costs and the only maintenance that usually gets done with these systems is fixing outages rather than recalibration of the machines on a regular basis as that is an extra cost born by the airlines. They'd rather wait until something breaks to fix it rather than prevent stuff from breaking. Never, ever put any electronics in checked luggage. I think your camera might have to go back to Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naper Posted January 5, 2014 Share #48 Posted January 5, 2014 Try a fresh charged battery. It's posable TSA turned the camera(s) on in their inspection process and failed to switch them off. The camera will operate without an SD card so I would doubt this is the problem. Like others I would never put expensive items or medication in checked luggage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
espiekermann Posted January 5, 2014 Author Share #49 Posted January 5, 2014 Thank you for all your helpful replies. In retrospect, I was very naive. Keep forgetting that these new cameras are not as robust as my old M3 and M6 which had practically no electronics. Must have zapped the EPROMS. The data on both SD cards is still intact. And the bodies are, of course, unharmed. Leica will have to replace the electronic guts which might be expensive. I’m sure that whatever insurance I have (flights were booked through Amex which always includes insurance) will get out of paying by finding some clause about risks of electronic equipment, matters of national security, force majeure and all the other excuses. Live and learn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgeenen Posted January 5, 2014 Share #50 Posted January 5, 2014 It must be something that simple and irreversible like that. Most of the electronic parts of the M240 should be different from the X1. Good luck with the repair. Keep us posted how the story continues. I will now definitely ban electronics from my luggage. Johannes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted January 5, 2014 Share #51 Posted January 5, 2014 Thank you for all your helpful replies. In retrospect, I was very naive. Keep forgetting that these new cameras are not as robust as my old M3 and M6 which had practically no electronics.Live and learn. I'm going on a humanitary mission in SE Asia, as physician. Inventory of equipment that I will bring with me: -M9 No sensor problem , bought new (micro spots and micro bubbles (or blisters) on the sensor back to Solms (not reliable) -M8 yes, the only one digital operational -M7 the good old faithful indestructible film camera, not afraid of X-rays (except the film inside, but I'll put it in a pocket protection RX Domke (40 films) -R8 good old solid reflex, operational as back up So I return to the film* and I'm glad : true color, rich, deep, accurate, "not smooth" image and "scalpel edge" .... and beautiful b&w with real grain Henry *http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/other/286747-i-like-film-open-thread.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 5, 2014 Share #52 Posted January 5, 2014 I'm going on a humanitary mission in SE Asia, as physician.Inventory of equipment that I will bring with me: -M9 No sensor problem , bought new (micro spots and micro bubbles (or blisters) on the sensor back to Solms (not reliable) -M8 yes, the only one digital operational -M7 the good old faithful indestructible film camera, not afraid of X-rays (except the film inside, but I'll put it in a pocket protection RX Domke (40 films) -R8 good old solid reflex, operational as back up So I return to the film* and I'm glad : true color, rich, deep, accurate, "not smooth" image and "scalpel edge" .... and beautiful b&w with real grain Henry *http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/other/286747-i-like-film-open-thread.html As long as you don’t put film in the checked luggage.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted January 5, 2014 Share #53 Posted January 5, 2014 As long as you don’t put film in the checked luggage.. Yes Jaap not in checked luggage my previous missions also in film (very few pictures in digital) posts 768,777,782. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/other/286747-i-like-film-open-thread-39.html http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/other/286747-i-like-film-open-thread-40.html Happy New Year Jaap Best Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geolux Posted January 5, 2014 Share #54 Posted January 5, 2014 If you are going to re-format the SD card, be sure to use the program SD FORMATTER V 4.0. Geolux Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 5, 2014 Share #55 Posted January 5, 2014 Yes Jaap not in checked luggage my previous missions also in film (very few pictures in digital) posts 768,777,782. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/other/286747-i-like-film-open-thread-39.html http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/other/286747-i-like-film-open-thread-40.html Happy New Year Jaap Best Henry Same to you and yours, Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted January 5, 2014 Share #56 Posted January 5, 2014 after having those 2 cameras in 2 separate checked suitcases on 3 different flights, they do not work at all. The screen doesn't light up. Batteries are fully charged and i have tried different SD cards in both cameras. The display in the viewfinder on the M says SD. The shutter works, but only after toggling between the single- and multiexposure buttons. No images arrive on the card. I have tried 3 different lenses on the M. I cannot even reformat the cards because i cannot get to any of the menus. The screen on the X1 lights up a little when i switch it on but shows no messages at all. The M screen is totally dead. I fear that some process by the TSA (who opened at least one of our suitcases) may have zapped the electronics. Is there a way to reset the cameras (some weird 2- or 3-button reset like on my computer) without access to the screen and its menus? The M is only 6 weeks old and worked very well before i packed it. So did my wife's X1. I've been using Leicas for 40 years including pretty much all the electronic models. Next to the new M240, I shall keep my M8 and use it for b/w only. I travel a lot and usually check baggage with the camera inside as they are so heavy and security people (especially in the US) often freak out when they find a camera made from real metal. Sorry about your problems, BUT I would NEVER EVER check my cameras. Carry on only. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted January 5, 2014 Share #57 Posted January 5, 2014 Henry, to completely derail this topic, what is your medical specialty and what work you do in Laos? Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted January 5, 2014 Share #58 Posted January 5, 2014 Henry,to completely derail this topic, what is your medical specialty and what work you do in Laos? Mark I sent you a MP Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterP Posted January 5, 2014 Share #59 Posted January 5, 2014 I travel a lot and usually check baggage with the camera inside as they are so heavy and security people (especially in the US) often freak out when they find a camera made from real metal. Really??? I guess here in the US people only travel with plastic cameras. I certainly feel for your loss, but I really do find this comment offensive and foolish! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted January 6, 2014 Share #60 Posted January 6, 2014 eep forgetting that these new cameras are not as robust as my old M3 and M6 which had practically no electronics. I flew to Bangkok 2 years back and took an M6 with me... I packed it as check on luggage... when I got to Thailand I took it out and tried to take a shot- the RF was completely out! The body was packed very well at the center of my bag -well protected from any direct knocks- but the entire bag must have been banged brutally... I won't be doing that again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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