viramati Posted December 17, 2013 Share #21 Posted December 17, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) All people have been asking for is to have the option to implement 'auto iso' as it was on the M9 and M8. For some of us this this can be a vey useful way of shooting under certain conditions and just adds to the versatilty of the camera. If you don't need you don't have to use it. Simple really Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AlanG Posted December 17, 2013 Share #22 Posted December 17, 2013 The old ways of looking at exposure, f-stop and shutter speed get complicated when incorporated in modern electronic cameras with several automatic exposure modes. I suggested an outline for a different way to look at and quickly control exposure in another thread linked below. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/digital-forum/307386-nikon-steps-alternative-merged-6.html#post2552303 I've thought of ways to further refine it so that this and three associated "locking" buttons for F stop, shutter speed and ISO are all you'd probably need. This would eliminate the idea of separate auto modes for P, A, Tv, auto ISO and would also incorporate a way to quickly lock or change any value manually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted December 17, 2013 Share #23 Posted December 17, 2013 If you don't control the ISO, you are fundamentally undermining the whole "you" in this equation & by definition, you are no longer in control of the photography. If you are unable to live without any camera you no longer control your life I dont really get your answer ... you can make wonderful pics with an iphone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest redge Posted December 17, 2013 Share #24 Posted December 17, 2013 Coming to the M from an M3, I think that aperture and shutter should be strictly manual, and that ISO, once selected, should be unchangeable for at least 24 shots. Also, let's get rid of the in-camera metering. Any self-respecting photographer uses a handheld meter in incident mode, if not sunny 16. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted December 17, 2013 Share #25 Posted December 17, 2013 Any self-respecting photographer uses a handheld meter in incident mode.My English is not that good, so I am not sure if it is a joke or not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest redge Posted December 17, 2013 Share #26 Posted December 17, 2013 My English is not that good, so I am not sure if it is a joke or not Just expressing the ramifications of a truly traditionalist approach I'll say this, though. The M3 gave me a real appreciation for the benefits of a handheld, and especially incident, meter. I don't plan on using the in-camera meter, although I'm not real inclined to tell people who make a different choice that they're soft in the head. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted December 17, 2013 Share #27 Posted December 17, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) What happens to the concept of "correct exposure" once the dynamic range of sensors hits 20 stops or so? And what if a 10,000 ISO image has the same quality as a 100 ISO image? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MirekE Posted December 18, 2013 Share #28 Posted December 18, 2013 To recap. This is a Leica, part of the M system…..and someone wants Auto ISO!Next a P mode? Then Auto focus? You control the shutter speed. You control the ISO - always. You control the aperture. You control the focussing. If you don't control the ISO, you are fundamentally undermining the whole "you" in this equation & by definition, you are no longer in control of the photography. Go elsewhere to a.n.other camera system if you, even for a minute, think along those Auto lines. I don't use camera, because I want to have the control. I use it because I want to capture light, emotions and mood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted December 18, 2013 Share #29 Posted December 18, 2013 I'll say this, though. The M3 gave me a real appreciation for the benefits of a handheld, and especially incident, meter. I don't plan on using the in-camera meter, although I'm not real inclined to tell people who make a different choice that they're soft in the head.I Sold my Minolta because I dont use it anymore , but I was metering reflected light 99% of the time for outside photography , nearly never incident incident Actually I use only the (large) spot metering of the new M, it never fails Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted December 18, 2013 Share #30 Posted December 18, 2013 I only see negative stuff coming out of you today. Today? Jip, you are joking aren't you? He's always like this! What a load of arrogant crap he's posted, but then he's the world's best Leica user. If we've paid $8000 for these cameras we can use them any way we want! I rarely use Auto-ISO as I do lose control. Sometimes though, in difficult conditions and variable low light where I have to move fast the image is more important than the zealot approach to full manual mode. Having the camera raise the ISO only when the chosen minimum shutter speed is exceeded, but maintaining the lowest ISO for optimal IQ, is sometimes very useful. And no the rot does not start with Auto (although I personally have no interest in AF). I find aperture-priority AE it is often very useful because I can scan the scene in Auto, lock in the shutterspeed I want by half-depressing the shutter, recompose and shoot. Much faster than resetting the shutterspeed dial. I keep control but effectively use the half-depressed shutter to substitute turning the shutterspeed dial. But what would I know about this - after alI use my camera to take photographs. These options just give versatility to the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rirakuma Posted December 18, 2013 Share #31 Posted December 18, 2013 ^Yeah I was actually offended by some of his comments earlier including when someone asked help for improving exposure skills. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansmezger Posted December 18, 2013 Author Share #32 Posted December 18, 2013 Update. The software is planned to be released by the end January. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 18, 2013 Share #33 Posted December 18, 2013 Could we please refrain from discussing other members this way ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonki-M Posted December 18, 2013 Share #34 Posted December 18, 2013 What happens to the concept of "correct exposure" once the dynamic range of sensors hits 20 stops or so?And what if a 10,000 ISO image has the same quality as a 100 ISO image? by that time, we would have space ship. and then we would be doing space shooting of scenes with 40 stops exposure difference...People at that time will also be discussing what we're doing right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted December 18, 2013 Share #35 Posted December 18, 2013 by that time, we would have space ship. and then we would be doing space shooting of scenes with 40 stops exposure difference...People at that time will also be discussing what we're doing right now. We already have that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonki-M Posted December 19, 2013 Share #36 Posted December 19, 2013 We already have that. i was not aware of the existence of a household hand-held personal super camera for cosmic shooting...nor forums that discuss this household hand-held personal super camera.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted December 19, 2013 Share #37 Posted December 19, 2013 personally I think the option of auto iso working this way would be a great help. I frequently take pics in low light levels with sub 1/f shutter speeds. Being able to set this on the dial (and just have ISO as a variable) rather than ferreting in the menu would be a perfect. I want a simple life with as little farting about as possible between me and taking pictures...... whilst still retaining the amount of control I want. This is an option gives you everything without interfering with the 'manual' brigade whats the big deal ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenevieveKelly Posted December 19, 2013 Share #38 Posted December 19, 2013 .. then i am waiting eagerly for the update to come .. by the, way feeling restless for the date and time fall soon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 19, 2013 Share #39 Posted December 19, 2013 personally I think the option of auto iso working this way would be a great help. I frequently take pics in low light levels with sub 1/f shutter speeds. Being able to set this on the dial (and just have ISO as a variable) rather than ferreting in the menu would be a perfect. I want a simple life with as little farting about as possible between me and taking pictures...... whilst still retaining the amount of control I want. This is an option gives you everything without interfering with the 'manual' brigade whats the big deal ? As a member of the manual brigade I would be very appreciative of the feature for the use with long lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ledfut Posted December 19, 2013 Share #40 Posted December 19, 2013 Having a variable number /f at least 2 or 3 would be helpful too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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