peterv Posted February 27, 2014 Share #481 Posted February 27, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) It still accurately sums up the current state of the art I’m afraid. Michael, does this mean that if a global shutter would eventually come to a future S camera the non-CS lenses would have the same functionality as the CS versions? Or would there still be an extra advantage to the CS lenses? Will it be more difficult to build a global shutter for a 30 x 45 sensor than for an APS-C sensor? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Steve P Posted February 27, 2014 Share #482 Posted February 27, 2014 I love the optical rangefinders on my M3, M9 & Monochrom. But, I would like to add a cheaper camera to those which still takes my fabulous Leica M lenses, and other longer and shorter lenses which don't work with the rangefinder (eg zoom lenses, R lenses, macro and the like). Underlying all this is also my concern (which I've expressed before, and another poster here has mentioned about the beauty of the mechanical film M cameras in use) that Leica is combining a complex thing of beauty (the M body and optical rangefinder) to electronics which have a considerably shorter lifespan and which are also somewhat less than state of the art. But, they charge traditional Leica prices. I am not looking forward to the day the electronics in my two CCD based cameras die and Leica tells me they can't/won't fix them. I will be very cross, and more than a little sad that such a great company has joined the throw away consumernomics based society. That is not what I bought into with Leica. Do I wish Leica harm? Don't be stupid. I wish them the very best of success. I just don't like what they appear to be doing. I largely agree with what the other guy was saying. Who? I think you can guess. :-) This is a dilemma for Leica. Do they produce digital cameras that match the build, materials and workmanship of mechanical/film Leicas which, as we all know, command high prices, and then equip them with the necessary electronics which, as we also know, will never last as long as the hand crafted mechanical parts? Or do they compromise on the materials and hand building traditions of the past in order to produce a less finely crafted machine for a cheaper price? How do you square that circle? I do feel that if Leica continue to produce highest quality crafted cameras, at highest prices, then they must be committed to repairing and maintaining the electronics for much longer periods of time than other manufacturers. Perhaps they should consider some kind of...Mini-M!?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted February 27, 2014 Share #483 Posted February 27, 2014 This is a dilemma for Leica. Do they produce digital cameras that match the build, materials and workmanship of mechanical/film Leicas which, as we all know, command high prices, and then equip them with the necessary electronics which, as we also know, will never last as long as the hand crafted mechanical parts? Or do they compromise on the materials and hand building traditions of the past in order to produce a less finely crafted machine for a cheaper price? How do you square that circle? Or they target the sort of customer for whom £10K for a camera and lens is peanuts, and who won't think twice to replace it after a couple of years to have the latest and greatest. Top end Canon and Nikon cameras are also very expensive, and very well made, but they're made for hard professional use, and as a working tool the cost is a necessary business expense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted February 27, 2014 Share #484 Posted February 27, 2014 Michael, does this mean that if a global shutter would eventually come to a future S camera the non-CS lenses would have the same functionality as the CS versions? Or would there still be an extra advantage to the CS lenses? Provided that the global electronic shutter isn’t somehow detrimental to image quality, I don’t see how CS lenses would still offer any advantage. Unfortunately we don’t know when the breakthrough will be achieved, so don’t count on this as buying advice. Will it be more difficult to build a global shutter for a 30 x 45 sensor than for an APS-C sensor? I don’t think so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
janki Posted February 28, 2014 Share #485 Posted February 28, 2014 No Leica news public before Photokina 2014: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyman Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share #486 Posted February 28, 2014 Geoff, if you have an iPad, you can download the S-Magazine issue 1 - 2012 for free and read a really good article about the S CS lenses here: S-Magazine | S-League Aah thanks. I may have the print version on my shelf! My iPad is S stocked too. So many things to occupy my hours. But I don't own the S...currently. A lotto win would be required. What I was seeing in mixed (lower) available light and studio flash was that I ended up with the fastest synch speed and more than a stop less than the H5-D50 for same setup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevelap Posted February 28, 2014 Share #487 Posted February 28, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) No Leica news public before Photokina 2014: I don't think he said that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted February 28, 2014 Share #488 Posted February 28, 2014 I don't think he said that. No, indeed he did not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyman Posted March 1, 2014 Author Share #489 Posted March 1, 2014 Thank you for the link to the interesting short interview. I always listen carefully to whatever Stefan Daniel says Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted March 1, 2014 Share #490 Posted March 1, 2014 No Leica news public before Photokina 2014: Is his coat polyester or is it really that color? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted March 1, 2014 Share #491 Posted March 1, 2014 Thank you for the link to the interesting short interview. I always listen carefully to whatever Stefan Daniel says He picks his words very carefully! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 1, 2014 Share #492 Posted March 1, 2014 I think I have seen that jacket before - it is really ummm.. indeterminate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted March 1, 2014 Share #493 Posted March 1, 2014 He picks his words very carefully! Yes... but spoke (relatively) a LOT about how much APS "has a sense"... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted March 1, 2014 Share #494 Posted March 1, 2014 Hint, hint! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted March 1, 2014 Share #495 Posted March 1, 2014 Yes... but spoke (relatively) a LOT about how much APS "has a sense"... I sense a certain fondness with APS-C, whatever that implies. Did anyone catch the ‘CMOS is the future’ statement? I mean we all know that but still … Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted March 1, 2014 Share #496 Posted March 1, 2014 Why do I keep thinking of Rab C Nesbitt when I watch the video? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted March 2, 2014 Share #497 Posted March 2, 2014 Did anyone catch the ‘CMOS is the future’ statement? I mean we all know that but still … Yes. CMOS is the future at Leica. Also, he stated something like, some think that CCD has a look, but we believe a pixel produces electricity and the look comes from the processing. That is going to rock a lot of M9 owner's world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted March 2, 2014 Share #498 Posted March 2, 2014 I sense a certain fondness with APS-C, whatever that implies. Did anyone catch the ‘CMOS is the future’ statement? I mean we all know that but still … Yes, my first thought was that the next S will be CMOS. What MP though? We all know 50MP is doable according to Phase One. My next thought was the T. OK, so it will be CMOS, but we surmised that. His fondness for APS-C also sounds like what many of us have surmised. We have been discussing this for over 100 days. It hopefully will not be another 100 days before we know the answers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted March 2, 2014 Share #499 Posted March 2, 2014 Yes, my first thought was that the next S will be CMOS. What MP though? We all know 50MP is doable according to Phase One. My next thought was the T. OK, so it will be CMOS, but we surmised that. His fondness for APS-C also sounds like what many of us have surmised. We have been discussing this for over 100 days. It hopefully will not be another 100 days before we know the answers. Having bought a M two months ago.... I am well disposed to wait some time for the next Leica's announcement... But anyway am curios a lot on what finally will come out... Given that it seems quite clear it will be an APS (C or H ?), mirrorless, lens interchangable... NO rangefinder... my doubt is what they will choose on the VF side : 1) LCD only sounds poor and smells too much of P & S 2) Clip-on EVF is acceptable on M, but not on a camera like the rumored T 3) Embedded EVF ought to be VERY GOOD on a Leica... I have the feel that cameras in this segment are significantly "weighted - valued" on EVF quality... do they have a good sourcer, at least at the level of Sony ? 4) Hybrid EVF Fuji-like would be very "Leica style" in theory... but I wonder if Leica (or its sourcer) can implement it in a way that be a differentiator. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted March 2, 2014 Share #500 Posted March 2, 2014 If it's AF, it's probably less important. The EVF will be acceptable, provided it is fast and frames accurately. The quality of the EVF is moe critical if you plan to mount M lenses. Faint whiffs of P&S are inevitable if this is to be a small, AF APS-C camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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