jaapv Posted February 25, 2014 Share #441 Posted February 25, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) You've got a strong opinion about a camera that is not in your pattern. Just goes to show choices differ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bill Posted February 25, 2014 Share #442 Posted February 25, 2014 Actually, it goes to show that there is no pattern. I absolutely agree that once, a Leica M was something to aspire to. Sadly no more. I've owned Leicas continuously for over 20 years and it pains me to say so. I wish it were otherwise - I am genuinely disappointed with the trajectory the company has taken with recent releases and I see no way back - they have designed themselves into a corner. No matter. I'll continue to use the cameras that work - and deliver - for me, including my lovely Leicas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M9reno Posted February 25, 2014 Share #443 Posted February 25, 2014 Bill, what happened to your MP? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted February 25, 2014 Share #444 Posted February 25, 2014 I just didn't enjoy it as much as my M2... After 200-odd rolls it still felt notchy and somehow a bit ...cheap. My M2, by contrast, with 51 years of use, is just about run-in now and is buttery-smooth in every respect. A tactile and optical joy, every frame is a sensual pleasure, from focus to shutter release. I got an exceptional price for the MP so I was happy. I converted the money into my first foray into Fuji. I consider I have the perfect balance now, coupled with peace of mind. Sent from another Galaxy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted February 26, 2014 Share #445 Posted February 26, 2014 M2=joy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted February 26, 2014 Share #446 Posted February 26, 2014 Two of my friends bought their M240s this year, in January - February. They were Fuji X owners before that. Now they are buying their first lenses and borrowing mine meanwhile. Very clear path to the M: Canon 5D- Fuji-X -Leica-M240. I sold one of my M9s to an owner of an Olympus Pen digital not too long ago. He started to shoot some manual optic and gravitated to the Leica. I see the pattern here. Superficial similarities aside, the Olympus Pen and Fuji X on the one side and the Leica M on the other are really quite different concepts. Someone switching from an Olympus or Fuji to a Leica was probably attracted by the former’s rangefinder-like appearance, but realised what he or she really wanted was a proper rangefinder. I suppose that someone switching in the different direction did not care that much about rangefinders in the first place, so that move makes sense as well. It all sorts itself out, eventually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted February 26, 2014 Share #447 Posted February 26, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) ...I suppose that someone switching in the different direction did not care that much about rangefinders in the first place, ... Arrant, baseless and condescending nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 26, 2014 Share #448 Posted February 26, 2014 Condescending? Is preferring a rangefinder somehow a characteristic of a superior being? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted February 26, 2014 Share #449 Posted February 26, 2014 You wouldn't have thought so, but that's the way Michael's post reads. Pity those poor fools who stray from the one true path... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 26, 2014 Share #450 Posted February 26, 2014 I must admit my first impression was far more innocuous. More like : "those who don't like a rangefinder will gravitate elsewhere" Maybe you should send over your seconds with your glove? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted February 26, 2014 Share #451 Posted February 26, 2014 Is preferring a rangefinder somehow a characteristic of a superior being? As a matter of fact I think the Fuji X-T1 is an extremely nice camera, its few quirks notwithstanding. Except as a rangefinder, because it isn’t one. Rangefinders and EVIL cameras can even complement each other, precisely because of the differences in concept. So switching systems in either direction is fine with me, as is using both, as long as you end up using whatever suits you best. But then there are those who somehow got stuck in the transition, hoping that some day, Leica will relieve them of the rangefinder in the M, or clinging to an EVIL camera while yearning for a true rangefinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted February 26, 2014 Share #452 Posted February 26, 2014 Arrant, baseless and condescending nonsense. Michael often goes in complex explanations... but let me say that I consider the above Michael' statement as a typical "no-nonsense"... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted February 26, 2014 Share #453 Posted February 26, 2014 ...Rangefinders and EVIL cameras can even complement each other, precisely because of the differences in concept. ... Now THAT I agree with. They are two different ways of seeing the world; one does not replace the other. I have no time for those who want to see the end of the rangefinder, as if it in some way offends them. Equally, an EVIL is not a rangefinder, even if the camera it inhabits has a rangefinder-type form factor. But choices are made on multiple factors, not just the method of viewing, and there is no "logical progression" from mobile 'phone to M any more than there is a "regression" in using something else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc_rufctr Posted February 26, 2014 Share #454 Posted February 26, 2014 Wow... This thread has some legs. It's good to see some passion in the Leica world. I think most of us here want them to be successful. That's a very good thing. Please carry on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gyoung Posted February 26, 2014 Share #455 Posted February 26, 2014 More work for poor Lupin. . G. Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gyoung Posted February 26, 2014 Share #456 Posted February 26, 2014 More work for poor Lupin, setting up the 'dual' :-) G. Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted February 26, 2014 Share #457 Posted February 26, 2014 ...I think most of us here want them to be successful. That's a very good thing. ... I would argue that there are very, very few indeed who post here who actively want Leica to fail. The reason for the debate is because there are some very strongly held views about the adequacy or otherwise of their current product line-up and future trajectory. There have, in recent years, been many new entrants to the Leica world who have little or no understanding or interest in where Leica has come from and who simply - and understandably - want the "best" glass. Then there are those who want Leica to offer "me-too" products and functionality to go head to head with the market leaders. And there are those for whom Leica ownership is some sort of badge of having arrived, financially and photographically. Finally there are those - and I put myself in this group - who find themselves staring sometimes in gape-mouthed disbelief at some of the company's mis-steps and feel the pain of beating their heads against a seemingly inert brick wall. We care about the company and, like watching your best friend marry the bride from hell, we despair when they do some of the things they do. For me, the journey is as important as the destination - the enjoyment of using the equipment as significant as capturing an aesthetically pleasing image. That's why I love using my M2 and IID. They are the modern equivalent of turning up at a rally in a Model T, but the pleasure of using them is undeniable and the satisfaction attained when I get a worthwhile result is far more intense than with any modern, do-it-for-you camera. I know that there are many who don't get that - it's their loss - but perhaps it goes somewhere to explaining why I am so frustrated with Leica's products today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 26, 2014 Share #458 Posted February 26, 2014 Hmmm. I cannot find myself in those catagories. Despite taking my iiif in hand quite regularly (although not as often as I should) as I prefer it over the M3/M2 for a number of reasons, I really do think that the M240 is the best M camera Leica ever built.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted February 26, 2014 Share #459 Posted February 26, 2014 Hmmm. I cannot find myself in those catagories. Despite taking my iiif in hand quite regularly (although not as often as I should) as I prefer it over the M3/M2 for a number of reasons, I really do think that the M240 is the best M camera Leica ever built.... ....which is where we differ. And so it goes around... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 26, 2014 Share #460 Posted February 26, 2014 On the iiif you mean? No - we differ in that I use and like both the M3 and the M240, not dismissing either out of hand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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