magosak Posted November 1, 2013 Share #21 Posted November 1, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Btw, ‘M240’ is a crap name; Leica doesn’t use it and neither should you. In that's the case, I wonder what Leica will call the next M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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a911s Posted November 1, 2013 Share #22 Posted November 1, 2013 The new M2... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest borge Posted November 1, 2013 Share #23 Posted November 1, 2013 In that's the case, I wonder what Leica will call the next M. M Typ 241. or Typ 268. or Typ 202. But it will be called an "M". Just like the Porsche 911. They're all called 911, but they are different types: 996, 997, 991, 993, 964, etc... all depending on what model (year) they are and what chassis they use. Leica's naming scheme is exactly the same thing, and Porsche used this naming scheme a whole lot earlier than any other company that I know of (Apple included). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted November 1, 2013 Share #24 Posted November 1, 2013 In that's the case, I wonder what Leica will call the next M. It will be called ‘M’. And it will have a type number > 240. This has been explained a number of times now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeitz Posted November 1, 2013 Share #25 Posted November 1, 2013 Then the current camera IS an M 240. That is the full name. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted November 1, 2013 Share #26 Posted November 1, 2013 I sometimes wonder where the 240 part of the name came from. Some idle thoughts: - 24 megapixel sensor - version 2.40 of the M series (others up to this point being non-released prototypes) - announced in 2012: 20 x 12 = 240 Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest borge Posted November 1, 2013 Share #27 Posted November 1, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Then the current camera IS an M 240. That is the full name. No. The name is "Leica M". The product type is 240. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pieterpronk Posted November 1, 2013 Share #28 Posted November 1, 2013 By the way isn't the correct name, which Leica uses in it's English Technical Data sheet and it's English Manual, "Leica M (typ 240)" without the "e"? Why is this subforum using an english translation of a productname? The "Monochrom" is not translated in it's subforum name. At least be consistent in translating names? Obviously even better would be to call this subforum just "M". That way when the next M comes it will just take over this subforum in a fluent way. Anyway, even the Leica camera forum seems to be confused about the naming of the camera. And from what I read hardly anybody likes the new naming scheme with the ugly "M240" having become the defacto name for the camera on the internet. Leica =/ Apple. And imagine in 20 years when we will have had 10 other M's (I'm confident they will speed up release cycles), we will probably have a M typ 240, M typ 480, M1000, M - third generation, M - (the one with the mirrored shutter dial), M-2019, etc etc etc. Then again by that time the M240 won't work any more? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gilgamesh Posted November 1, 2013 Share #29 Posted November 1, 2013 Yawn You know full well the next incarnation will reflect the output, M360 or some such. That was boring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted November 1, 2013 Share #30 Posted November 1, 2013 No. The name is "Leica M". The product type is 240. Indeed it is. Ever since the introduction of the new M and the M-E (Typ 220), over a year ago, Leica’s new naming scheme has been explained time and again. Since then there has been the Leica X Vario (Typ 107) and the Leica C (Typ 112), so the pattern should be familiar by now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted November 1, 2013 Share #31 Posted November 1, 2013 M10 wasn´t that the expected follow up of the M9. Of course without cmos, video and live view. And costing 10k. Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 1, 2013 Share #32 Posted November 1, 2013 We discussed the M naming ad nauseam when it was introduced and many predicted that despite what Leica officially called it, the practice by some would be to merge the M with the 'typ' number. If Leica didn't add a number, the logic went, others would, since every prior M had a number, and because one would need a descriptor of some sort to distinguish between future M models. And so many have...no surprise. And that's why M10 would have been simpler and less confusing, even if the number itself didn't appear anywhere but the hot shoe. But that's history. Time will tell, and hopefully Leica will stay successful long enough for a new mindset to develop...or not. I don't really care as long as the product delivers. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 3, 2013 Share #33 Posted November 3, 2013 Its not really innovative because the market had full frame for a long time. The M3 was innovative because it took large huge cameras and used film mediums and made one of the first commercial portable still cameras. When the M9 came out, it didn't really do much to the industry really... only for range finders. You call the iphone innovative because it changed the market. The M10 isn't innovative, I call it "catching up" and being on equal ground so I expect innovation with the next M (I hope) Everything the M9 did minus having a FF sensor in a RF was already done in the market. Its not harsh, its just being realistic and Im saying this as a new found Leica fan. Someone once told me that Leica was a failing business that had yes men in the board room. So Im glad people used to be mad at the M9, now they love it, Im glad people are mad at the M10 - it means Leica will be listening (I hope) Ummm.... It appears you are not aware of cameras like the Barnack Leicas, the various Contaxes, the Robot, etc. The only innovative thing of the M3 was the combination of a RF viewfinder with a bayonet and a decent film loading system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pieterpronk Posted November 3, 2013 Share #34 Posted November 3, 2013 Another (intened or unintended) consequence of the new naming scheme is that it leaves open the possibility to talk about the 'real M10', as in this thread If the M240 is not the M10, there is the opportunity for people to question if the M240 really is the heir to the throne so to speak. For me the Monochrom is the real M10, the evolution of the M9. The M240 is a great camera, but it's unclear on which path it is a Milestone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest borge Posted November 3, 2013 Share #35 Posted November 3, 2013 Another (intened or unintended) consequence of the new naming scheme is that it leaves open the possibility to talk about the 'real M10', as in this thread If the M240 is not the M10, there is the opportunity for people to question if the M240 really is the heir to the throne so to speak.For me the Monochrom is the real M10, the evolution of the M9. The M240 is a great camera, but it's unclear on which path it is a Milestone. There is no M10 and there won't be an M10. The real M10 is the M Typ 240. The M11 will probably be the M Typ 253. The same with the M12, M13, M14, M15... I think most photographers don't really care what the name is, as long as the camera is good and gets the job done! Now go out and shoot and stop worrying about a naming scheme!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 3, 2013 Share #36 Posted November 3, 2013 Do people really want a huge “10” added to the obtrusive “M” on the front? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pieterpronk Posted November 3, 2013 Share #37 Posted November 3, 2013 There is no M10 and there won't be an M10.The real M10 is the M Typ 240. The M11 will probably be the M Typ 253. The same with the M12, M13, M14, M15... I think most photographers don't really care what the name is, as long as the camera is good and gets the job done! Now go out and shoot and stop worrying about a naming scheme!! Leica seemed to care enough to change a winning naming formula after 50 years. And you care enough to state that the real M10 is the M (typ 240), when in the same post you say (in line with Leica's marketing strategy) that there is no M10. And already in this thread we have three different subjective opinions on what the real M10 is, be it either some camera that is still to be released, the Monochrom, or the M (typ 240). Which btw is my point, that this confusion amongst customers leaves it open to discussion. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk - now Free Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest borge Posted November 3, 2013 Share #38 Posted November 3, 2013 Do people really want a huge “10” added to the obtrusive “M” on the front? No! I would actually prefer a Leica Typ 240 naming scheme, so we could drop the "M" all together! ... and the red dot as well, preferably. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted November 3, 2013 Share #39 Posted November 3, 2013 I think "yes". People has paid a lot of money for it and want to show that to the world (to their neighbors). The R had "LEICA" in a large font on it. Same as "LaCoste" and many others. I - personally - don´t find it necessary. Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
george + Posted November 3, 2013 Share #40 Posted November 3, 2013 Do people really want a huge “10” added to the obtrusive “M” on the front? No. I do not think so. That is why I blanked it out. Would prefer to do the same with the dot. And I would not mind some script on the top. Like the M3. One of the most successful Leicas of all times. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/215698-leica-m10-vs-leica-m240/?do=findComment&comment=2456812'>More sharing options...
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