lct Posted May 17, 2016 Share #1181 Posted May 17, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Not sure if it is subjective or objective but some cameras are so simple that that complicate things a lot for me. Don't ask me names please . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Giulio Zanni Posted May 17, 2016 Share #1182 Posted May 17, 2016 I hope that the M-D is niche camera and that the next M will build up on the experience of the current 240 and 246, meaning a better EVF option, longer exposure in bulb mode etc.....and.....of course that they will continue with the next iteration of monochrom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted May 17, 2016 Share #1183 Posted May 17, 2016 Beyond the pinhole camera, everything got complicated. Pick your poison. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 17, 2016 Share #1184 Posted May 17, 2016 Is that the whole idea of the camera? I didn't realise that. So M-D stands for M-Don't chimp? Here's what Leica says the camera is about: I appreciate that reducing discussion to the silliest and lowest possible denominator is entertaining, but for me, this camera isn't about not chimping - I don't chimp that much anyway (with the SL). It's about reducing the image taking process to the bare essentials and getting rid of the irrelevant stuff - like having a stereo that doesn't have bass, mid-range and treble control, equalisers, surround sound settings or flashing lights. Just a source and volume knob, and making the best possible sound from vinyl/CD/computer file/radio signal, to the speakers. Reducing the discussion to "chimping" works at one level, but it's a bit like feeding trolls don't you think? If you read the post that I responded to you would realize it was not about chimping. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted May 18, 2016 Share #1185 Posted May 18, 2016 I'm not so sure thar simplicity is subjective. Well, we could delve into the philosophical and semantic issues which would be quite interesting but would lead us far from photography. Is a hammer simpler than a riveting machine? Yes, it is, but that is a hopelessly limited answer if you're hanging on a harness on the side of a tower calling for the simplest tool for the job. I'm convinced that as a photographic tool, the simplest camera is the one that makes it easiest for you to take the sort of photos you want to take. It may well be an M-D, but it may equally be aniPhone or an M240 or Nikon D5 or a Lomo. In that sense, it is entirely subjective. The decrepit paternal side of me that always thinks it knows best what is good for everyone else just wants to protect you young whippersnappers from being beguiled by this notion of absolute simplicity into forcing your photography into a shape that fits the tool that most appeals, rather than vice versa! I know. You're big enough and ugly enough to look after yourselves. Don't be offended, it means well! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geshi Posted May 26, 2016 Share #1186 Posted May 26, 2016 I know I'll get thrashed by saying this...I want the option of AF in the next generation M. As I'm new to the Leica experience, I want the ease of use of the AF while I take time to learn the tricks of MF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted May 26, 2016 Share #1187 Posted May 26, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) I know I'll get thrashed by saying this...I want the option of AF in the next generation M. As I'm new to the Leica experience, I want the ease of use of the AF while I take time to learn the tricks of MF. Why not use SL? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 26, 2016 Share #1188 Posted May 26, 2016 No AF for me - but two rangefinders would be nice; one for closeup and one for middle to far distances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geshi Posted May 26, 2016 Share #1189 Posted May 26, 2016 jmahto, To me, the M is the only true Leica. If Leica incorporates AF in the M, I'll get one immediately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adli Posted May 26, 2016 Share #1190 Posted May 26, 2016 I want my next M to be delivered wrapped in a Porsche. Just to add up to the list of wishes that will not happend Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hollisd Posted May 26, 2016 Share #1191 Posted May 26, 2016 36MP, EVF, simultaneous monochrome release Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted May 26, 2016 Share #1192 Posted May 26, 2016 A body designed for human hands and to be held up to the eye rather than as a container for two cylinders of film. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted May 26, 2016 Author Share #1193 Posted May 26, 2016 jmahto, To me, the M is the only true Leica. If Leica incorporates AF in the M, I'll get one immediately. I guess that's the problem. As soon as Leica releases an AF M camera, they will release a firmware upgrade which will stop all existing M cameras from working. True! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted May 27, 2016 Share #1194 Posted May 27, 2016 Will there be a hidden message (possibly a hint for future M) in the latest firmware if you reverse all the bits and apply it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geshi Posted May 29, 2016 Share #1195 Posted May 29, 2016 In my opinion, the best Leica camera will be one with the combination of the best features from the M and the Q. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imants Posted May 29, 2016 Share #1196 Posted May 29, 2016 ability to log on to multi media Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBond Posted May 29, 2016 Share #1197 Posted May 29, 2016 From what I have read so far in this forum one ought to think of the M in the same way as an iPhone. Every model (and half model) drip feeds some new features which are just enough to keep you interested but never using the latest and greatest of the technological advances. Today's M always has yesterday's technology. The difference is that Apple drip feeds as part of their marketing tactics whereas Leica drip feeds because they can't do more than that (because they don't have the intelectual power and possibly the financial one). PS: The AF on a M is never going to happen because: 1. it's going to substantially change the M physically, 2. there would be an uproar from the existing fanbase Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted May 29, 2016 Share #1198 Posted May 29, 2016 Leica makes several AF bodies already why bothering M users with that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaryink Posted May 29, 2016 Share #1199 Posted May 29, 2016 I'm curious about the EVF desire that some request. There is nothing like real time live view. The relative small form factor, lenses and real live view of the rangefinder seem to be the only reason to buy the kit. Adding all the stuff that other cameras include result in a "me too" camera. I use EVF's in cinema settings and consider them at best, a necessary evil. For me, the EVF takes you steps further away from this miracle of reality we live in. You are fiddling with the camera rather than focusing on the surrounding environment. To my fairy Godmother, I would ask for: A greatly expanded ISO range base 25 to 50,000 with pixel binning for noise control ( if needed). A super quiet shutter. Extended battery life. Faster write speeds. I don't see the benefit of more mp's. The diffraction limit would be too confining - especially with such a high ISO base. The reason so many 80mp backs are for sale for cheap is due to this extreme limitation. You can't shoot beyond 5.6 with those beasts and you end up having to focus stack. To me, this isn't the best option when using a street camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted May 29, 2016 Share #1200 Posted May 29, 2016 I'm curious about the EVF desire that some request. There is nothing like real time live view. The relative small form factor, lenses and real live view of the rangefinder seem to be the only reason to buy the kit. Adding all the stuff that other cameras include result in a "me too" camera. I use EVF's in cinema settings and consider them at best, a necessary evil.... EVF is necessary evil for focusing longer MF lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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