jc_braconi Posted October 17, 2013 Share #1 Posted October 17, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Camera Auction 24 - November 2013 Catalog on line : WestLicht Photographica Auction: Camera auctions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dkCambridgeshire Posted October 20, 2013 Share #2 Posted October 20, 2013 Lot 177, two Leica CL/CM prototypes estimated at €120,000 - €150,000 has already received an absentee bid of €260,000. Maybe two rival collectors or (dealers on behalf of collectors) have bid - but why so anxious to acquire these cameras and so early in the bidding? dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted October 21, 2013 Share #3 Posted October 21, 2013 Indeed, seems to me a stellar bid for a pair of prototypes surely interesting, but not of such historical importance... As always, there are anyway many tasty items in this auction... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted October 21, 2013 Share #4 Posted October 21, 2013 Lager illustrates 9 CM/CL prototypes. Maybe to a specialist collector already owning several, adding these to his stable might complete his story of the Leitz/Minolta collaboration to produce the world's first compact interchangeable lens rangefinder camera with TTL metering. And of course the CL led to the CLE for which there could also be (to a specialist collector) 'exciting collaborative prototypes'. And we should not underestimate the aesthetic appeal to certain collectors of such relatively small almost 'pocketable' cameras. These two prototypes could be rival collectors' missing links. dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted October 21, 2013 Share #5 Posted October 21, 2013 Lager illustrates 9 CM/CL prototypes. Maybe to a specialist collector already owning several, adding these to his stable might complete his story of the Leitz/Minolta collaboration to produce the world's first compact interchangeable lens rangefinder camera with TTL metering. And of course the CL led to the CLE for which there could also be (to a specialist collector) 'exciting collaborative prototypes'. And we should not underestimate the aesthetic appeal to certain collectors of such relatively small almost 'pocketable' cameras. These two prototypes could be rival collectors' missing links. dunk That's a reasonable hipotesis... I add.. "rival deep pocket collectors"... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted October 21, 2013 Author Share #6 Posted October 21, 2013 I think the seller own other 4 of them... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted October 21, 2013 Share #7 Posted October 21, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I think the seller own other 4 of them... dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted October 28, 2013 Share #8 Posted October 28, 2013 Bidding has continued and now stands at €280,000 plus buyer's premium. dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Martin Posted October 29, 2013 Share #9 Posted October 29, 2013 I'd rather go and buy a McLaren MP 4 12C for that kind of money, but I suppose if you can spend this on a couple of Cameras, then you might already have a couple of those. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted October 29, 2013 Share #10 Posted October 29, 2013 some people have so much money they could spend that much every day and never run out. It is really quite obscene. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted November 23, 2013 Share #11 Posted November 23, 2013 Lot 177, two Leica CL/CM prototypes estimated at €120,000 - €150,000 has already received an absentee bid of €260,000. Maybe two rival collectors or (dealers on behalf of collectors) have bid - but why so anxious to acquire these cameras and so early in the bidding? dunk Bid price was €400,000 plus buyer's premium = €480,000 dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted November 23, 2013 Share #12 Posted November 23, 2013 Lot No. 284, M3 SN 1000000 sold for €700,000 = €840,000 inc. buyer's premium Lot 282, IIIf SN 500000 sold for €300,000 = €360,000 inc. buyer's premium. Lot 342, Prototype M3 Angle Finder and Accessory Shoe sold for €20,000 = €24,000 inc. buyer's premium. Lot 344 Prototype FIKUS Hood sold for €18,000 = €21,600 inc. buyer's premium. Lot 346 Prototype 4 Part Hood sold for €10,000 = € 12,000 inc. buyer's premium. dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted November 23, 2013 Share #13 Posted November 23, 2013 Lot No. 284, M3 SN 1000000 sold for €700,000 = €840,000 inc. buyer's premium Lot 282, IIIf SN 500000 sold for €300,000 = €360,000 inc. buyer's premium. Lot 342, Prototype M3 Angle Finder and Accessory Shoe sold for €20,000 = €24,000 inc. buyer's premium. Lot 344 Prototype FIKUS Hood sold for €18,000 = €21,600 inc. buyer's premium. Lot 346 Prototype 4 Part Hood sold for €10,000 = € 12,000 inc. buyer's premium. dunk Couldn't resist to the FIKUS... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabears Posted November 23, 2013 Share #14 Posted November 23, 2013 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Couldn't resist to the FIKUS... Luigi......are we talking about this ? Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Luigi......are we talking about this ? ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/214881-westlich-camera-auction/?do=findComment&comment=2472261'>More sharing options...
Pecole Posted November 24, 2013 Share #15 Posted November 24, 2013 [ATTACH]409883[/ATTACH] Luigi......are we talking about this ? ...and green ! could be for a Bundeswehr set ?:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 24, 2013 Share #16 Posted November 24, 2013 Who said digital cameras would never be collectables? Lot 190 - M9 prototype 13.200 Euro (although well under estimate) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted November 24, 2013 Share #17 Posted November 24, 2013 Who said digital cameras would never be collectables?Lot 190 - M9 prototype 13.200 Euro (although well under estimate) That was a bargain. I watched the sale live and the bidding was over for Lot 190 in a few seconds - as if maybe only one bid. Very few lots were unsold - but a string of Italian Leica copies failed to attract bids. Most Leica copies that sold realised less than their estimates. dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted November 24, 2013 Share #18 Posted November 24, 2013 [ATTACH]409883[/ATTACH] Luigi......are we talking about this ? Exactly !! Told my wife that a fine fikus was for sale at her favorite online shop for gardening (Dutch, not Austrian... but doesn't matter) , but 15.000 € seemed too much for an unexpert like me... (btw... can't explain the price of the Lux 35 lot 213... I don't like to sell my old lenses... but confess that for that price I would be very happy to sell my identcal item, with its OLLUX; and time passes on ... so that I can ALMOST forget that 27 years ago bought and sold in some months a twin of #226... at around 1/25th ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted November 24, 2013 Author Share #19 Posted November 24, 2013 My survey about the last 10 year gives an average of x3 on the prices. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabears Posted November 24, 2013 Share #20 Posted November 24, 2013 Exactly !! Told my wife that a fine fikus was for sale at her favorite online shop for gardening (Dutch, not Austrian... but doesn't matter) , but 15.000 € seemed too much for an unexpert like me... (btw... can't explain the price of the Lux 35 lot 213... I don't like to sell my old lenses... but confess that for that price I would be very happy to sell my identcal item, with its OLLUX; and time passes on ... so that I can ALMOST forget that 27 years ago bought and sold in some months a twin of #226... at around 1/25th ) This is what is absolutely awesome about Leica (not all, those smart items:cool:): You buy, you use, you sell... you earn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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