don daniel Posted October 10, 2013 Share #21 Posted October 10, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Difficult to do: You take a shot with the old firmware, then you do the update. Then you return to the situation and hope there will be the same light and your motives haven't moved. Once updated to 2.0.0.11 you cannot go back to the former firmware. But I can assure you, nobody will want to go back, not even Steve Huff, after he has spent some minutes more with the new firmware. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 10, 2013 Posted October 10, 2013 Hi don daniel, Take a look here M240 firmware FW 2.0.0.11 Update [Merged]. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
mblaze Posted October 10, 2013 Share #22 Posted October 10, 2013 Update loaded for me without complication. But it still requires 1-2 seconds to reset the shutter between exposures in LV mode, which was (and remains) my biggest gripe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted October 10, 2013 Share #23 Posted October 10, 2013 Hmmm, can't say I'm impressed by what I'm seeing, which is kinda worrying considering I've just decided the buy the thing.Does anybody that is speaking out in favour of the firmware have any pictures of before and after situations to show just how the awb handles things differently? At the moment it's only those that remain sceptical about the firmware that are posting such comparisons. c'mon ........ you would need two bodies each with the different versions of the firmware...... I have dozens of M v M9 comparisons .... but I might be waiting for ever to take pics of the same subjects under even remotely similar circumstances to make a valid comparison. all I can say is that I have a pile of photos with the old firmware .... and either had to set to daylight (which seemed to be 5100k) manually on the camera or change the white balance on almost all taken (except in bright sunlight) in LR...... ...... and with the new firmware I have taken a pile of photos ..... and have adjusted hardly any ..... probably less even than with the M9. Reds and skin tones now look fine.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pieterpronk Posted October 10, 2013 Share #24 Posted October 10, 2013 Difficult to do: You take a shot with the old firmware, then you do the update. Then you return to the situation and hope there will be the same light and your motives haven't moved. Once updated to 2.0.0.11 you cannot go back to the former firmware. But I can assure you, nobody will want to go back, not even Steve Huff, after he has spent some minutes more with the new firmware. Well it wasn't too difficult to make a firmware that did better awb considering the awful awb of the first firmware. To be honest, I don't doubt it does better. But Steve Huff's post and that weird wall yellowed shot in the red edges thread show that awb does still seem kinda bad. Besides AWB it seems the red edges problem is still a problem at least for those who take the time to post the pictures they took with the new firmware. And one of my own pet peeves isn't fixed either: The handling of auto-iso. It got broken by the new M, and surely it shouldn't be too much of a problem to fix it. Really, it's more than half a year later after the release of this flagship model of Leica. Is this still the one man coding team at work? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted October 10, 2013 Share #25 Posted October 10, 2013 I have shot a lot more pictures and spent a lot more time (I'm pretty certain) than Steve has in his quick examples of his shot of his wife. I can report that I am extremely happy with skin tones under normal lighting conditions (daylight) and see improvement in mixed difficult lighting, like night time. Processing a lot of pictures in LR has not had me tweaking skin tones at all. Photos import into LR and look very good OOC. Possibly some color temp to adjust for artistic purpose, but skin tones really have been much better. Not an issue for me anymore. Mixed lighting is is much better, but I still tweak sometimes and use the brush. But, I don't think this is a lot different from other cameras. (All of my statements are assuming DNG.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pieterpronk Posted October 10, 2013 Share #26 Posted October 10, 2013 c'mon ........ you would need two bodies each with the different versions of the firmware...... I have dozens of M v M9 comparisons .... but I might be waiting for ever to take pics of the same subjects under even remotely similar circumstances to make a valid comparison. all I can say is that I have a pile of photos with the old firmware .... and either had to set to daylight (which seemed to be 5100k) manually on the camera or change the white balance on almost all taken (except in bright sunlight) in LR...... ...... and with the new firmware I have taken a pile of photos ..... and have adjusted hardly any ..... probably less even than with the M9. Reds and skin tones now look fine.... I'm glad you chimed in. AWB was always a problem for you with the first firmware, so it sounds good to hear that you're happy with it. Thanks. Btw does that wall seem very red in the top right corner? is that the wall or red edge problem? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 10, 2013 Share #27 Posted October 10, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) According to Steve Huff the E-M1 seems to look pretty good with regards to skin tones. Interesting. And he didn't even have a Leica lens on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted October 10, 2013 Share #28 Posted October 10, 2013 ...... and with the new firmware I have taken a pile of photos ..... and have adjusted hardly any ..... probably less even than with the M9. Reds and skin tones now look fine.... My experience as well. It has been a pleasure to look at my photos in LR after I import them and not have to do it in the Develop module with one hand on the mouse tweaking every picture. OOC is pretty darn close, especially daylight. And, the best part is that I am really fond of what Leica has done with the M240 color. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henning Posted October 10, 2013 Share #29 Posted October 10, 2013 As with others, updating firmware went very smoothly and awb is bertter. LV is of secondary importance to me, although I do use it, but I don't expect significant improvement in the performance in terms of speed. Shot to shot speed improvement would of course be greatly appreciated, but magnified focussing patch movement is more important to me. Support for the new Olympus finder would also be greatly appreciated. These latter two items might well be possible in firmware. The main things wrong with the camera imho though haven't yet been addressed. Auto ISO implementation, programmability of the buttons (particularly the M button) and especially options for using exposure compensation, ie, with the wheel only would be a huge improvement. Hopefully these come soon. Meanwhile, I'll happily accept what's given. Henning Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted October 10, 2013 Share #30 Posted October 10, 2013 Pieter, I honestly think you are going to like this camera now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pieterpronk Posted October 10, 2013 Share #31 Posted October 10, 2013 Quite probable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted October 10, 2013 Share #32 Posted October 10, 2013 Btw does that wall seem very red in the top right corner? is that the wall or red edge problem? .... I deleted the photo instantly ....... it would have caused trouble !!! The top of the red doors look magenta ...... but this is in fact due to the gloss paint reflecting the blue sky ....... and there was no red edge problem as the was with the tri-elmar which has never been afflicted with this problem...... As I have said in a recent thread ..... you can find a photo to post that can prove anything you want.... anyway ...... here are a fairly random selection of shots from Bolsover Castle and Sutton Scarsdale Hall, all on auto WB in a variety of settings/lighting. No LR alterations at all.... from the other weekend with 2.0.0.11 would you be unhappy with these ??? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/214489-m240-firmware-fw-20011-update-merged/?do=findComment&comment=2439187'>More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted October 10, 2013 Share #33 Posted October 10, 2013 and more.... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/214489-m240-firmware-fw-20011-update-merged/?do=findComment&comment=2439189'>More sharing options...
dwbell Posted October 10, 2013 Share #34 Posted October 10, 2013 Is there any download of the launch firmware? I certainly trust Ricks word, yet I've been here before - if you know what I mean. Would feel more comfortable with a retro option in the back pocket. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted October 10, 2013 Share #35 Posted October 10, 2013 I have had no problems with red cornering with a 21 MM Leica SEL Interesting, but certainly not my finding. There could, of course, be variations between various camera-lens combinations. When I shoot a white surface with +1.7EV exposure compensation (or thereabout to get a white wall white) with M240 and the new firmware, reddish colours creep in on the left and right edges. These reddish colours can be a nightmare for scenes with snow or clouds, but luckily post-correction do the job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted October 10, 2013 Share #36 Posted October 10, 2013 and some more ... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/214489-m240-firmware-fw-20011-update-merged/?do=findComment&comment=2439192'>More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted October 10, 2013 Share #37 Posted October 10, 2013 getting fed up yet ? ....... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/214489-m240-firmware-fw-20011-update-merged/?do=findComment&comment=2439194'>More sharing options...
kdriceman Posted October 10, 2013 Share #38 Posted October 10, 2013 I have shot a lot more pictures and spent a lot more time (I'm pretty certain) than Steve has in his quick examples of his shot of his wife. I can report that I am extremely happy with skin tones under normal lighting conditions (daylight) and see improvement in mixed difficult lighting, like night time. Processing a lot of pictures in LR has not had me tweaking skin tones at all. Photos import into LR and look very good OOC. Possibly some color temp to adjust for artistic purpose, but skin tones really have been much better. Not an issue for me anymore. Mixed lighting is is much better, but I still tweak sometimes and use the brush. But, I don't think this is a lot different from other cameras. (All of my statements are assuming DNG.) This is with AWB ? And with which profile are you using in LR, Rick? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted October 10, 2013 Share #39 Posted October 10, 2013 Hi, I am using AWB, DNG, Adobe Standard, haven't bothered to make a profile and discarded my previous dual illuminance profile. I am not certain, but I don't think any of the beta testers found it necessary to use a home-rolled profile (maybe they can chime in). I haven't found it necessary although, I might make a simple one to change Saturation and a few other things to my personal preference, but I may just be too lazy to care. We were told at the time we received the beta that it would not be possible to go back to the previous firmware. No crashes or regrets about not having the old firmware. Rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 10, 2013 Share #40 Posted October 10, 2013 getting fed up yet ? ....... Many thanks for the shots. They look great to me! Couldn't one get pretty much these results with an M9 though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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