k-hawinkler Posted October 18, 2013 Share #961 Posted October 18, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Ya'know, it occurs to me that one potentially annoying issue is that the Sony will not have a way to know what lens is being used and put that in the exif. It probably won't even have an annoying manual lens selection menu that lets you tell it which Leica lens your using. Great idea! That is, until some clever person makes an adapter smart enough to read the 6-bit code, and transform it to what the Sony E-mount needs to see. One look at the Sony autofocus adapter and you might conclude retailing the 6-bit info to the Sony is easier. Paul Habsch from Phigmenttech already did that: https://www.phigmenttech.ca/lmnex/index.php?page=product The adapter works well on my APS-C NEX cameras. I am eager to get my hands on the A7R so that I can check out all my M lenses. BTW, a lens doesn't have to be coded. One can enter the information by hand or computer. Another really nice feature is that the adapter recognizes when the lens is being focused. The adapter then switches on magnification and/or peaking! Halfway pressing the shutter gets back to full view. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 18, 2013 Posted October 18, 2013 Hi k-hawinkler, Take a look here The Sony A7 thread [Merged]. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
CalArts 99 Posted October 18, 2013 Share #962 Posted October 18, 2013 It sounds just like a Nikon MD12 on an FM2 - the same sort of speed and tone but hopefully with less kick. That video that's being posted is a burst rate and so I find it hard to really discern how the shutter would normally sound (i.e., one frame at a time.) fwiw, here's a promo video from Sony Korea: There are two spots where the shutter is released (a single shutter release.) One is at 3:07 and the other is at the very end of the video at 4:44. It's certainly not leaf shutter quiet. I think you're right in that it kind of does sound like the FM2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted October 18, 2013 Share #963 Posted October 18, 2013 Considering that the RX10 has a Zeiss 24-200 f/2.8 constant aperture lens as opposed to the X Vario's 28-70 f/3.5-6.4 it's more of a smack down than a comparison. For a tiny 1" sensor though. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/214267-the-sony-a7-thread-merged/?do=findComment&comment=2444790'>More sharing options...
Paul J Posted October 18, 2013 Share #964 Posted October 18, 2013 Talk of needing a tripod for high MP cameras is pure nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gyoung Posted October 18, 2013 Share #965 Posted October 18, 2013 I think its more a general issue, if the camera is on a tripod the pictures are likely to exploit the potential of camera and media whether sensor or film. Hold it in your hand and camera movement is likely to take the edge off sharpness. Its all theoretical of course, I havent had my Ms on a tripod more than half a dozen timrs in 45 years, not that sort of camera imho Gerry Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 18, 2013 Share #966 Posted October 18, 2013 I'm probably showing my age here, but it brought up an immediate comparison for me. It sounds just like a Nikon MD12 on an FM2 - the same sort of speed and tone but hopefully with less kick. I had one of those! Great crashing sound, and a huge torque twist! You knew when you'd taken a photo! I often wondered if it was the sound track used in movies and computer generated sounds of pictures being taken. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamSinger Posted October 18, 2013 Share #967 Posted October 18, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) For a year I have been dithering over whether to get an M or not, I have an M9. This week, in fact today, was going to put me money down, and join the queue, but last night saw the Sony A7r release. Smaller, cheaper, full frame , with a shed load of mega 'pixies' to round up photons, focus peaking, can take M lenses. Its native lenses are Zeiss which often are close or equal to Leica glass. Then there is the forth coming 55m Zeiss Distagon which will cost a lot but less than a Summicron apo and I will bet money marbles or chalk it will be as good, or as near as damn it. I love my Monchrome, so colour is a back up for me. So change of plans, not going to the camera shop, but now waiting till December to take a gander at the A7r . The A7r seems to do every thing I want from the M, and at that price can keep my M9 for when I want a 'messsucher' moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted October 18, 2013 Share #968 Posted October 18, 2013 I had one of those! Great crashing sound, and a huge torque twist! You knew when you'd taken a photo! And didn't we love it! Sounded sounded so............professional . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest borge Posted October 18, 2013 Share #969 Posted October 18, 2013 Rangefinder or EVF? It's that simple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted October 18, 2013 Share #970 Posted October 18, 2013 One of the reasons why I so greatly prefer the M over the M9 is that I can use its superb rangefinder, which honestly is quicker and easier to use accurately than the M9's, and yet can still get all the benefits of an EVF when I want to. In this respect at least the M is still a unique camera, and to me, it is worth paying for, although I shall look at the A7R very carefully when it's readily available, but I don't feel under any pressure to do so because the M works so brilliantly for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted October 18, 2013 Share #971 Posted October 18, 2013 I have the M9 in the bag and a A7r on pre-order. I can see a travel bag in my future with these two bodies and 2-3 M lenses. The best of both worlds. The rendering of the M9 sensor at lower iso will become a classic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted October 18, 2013 Share #972 Posted October 18, 2013 In my opinion, the Sony A7R still needs to be proven for M mount lens compatibilty, especially wide angles. I'm sure in the coming weeks we will see more and more tests that will give us a clearer idea. If the A7R plays well with M glass, I believe it will have a substantial advantage over the M240 in terms of image quality and functionality. In the meanwhile, I do prefer my M9 output at low iso to that of the M240, and I am not convinced by the claimed IQ improvement of the CMOS sensor over the CCD of the M9. So basically I am very happy with my M9 at the moment and will certainly add the A7R if it works well with my existing glass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted October 18, 2013 Share #973 Posted October 18, 2013 Here is a small portion of a 100% crop from a hand held 60MP P65+ that is straight out of camera. You will most likely need to click the picture to view it full size. 100% crop Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted October 18, 2013 Share #974 Posted October 18, 2013 Here is a small portion of a 100% crop from a hand held 60MP P65+ that is straight out of camera. Yes, but isn't that parrot lit by strobes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted October 18, 2013 Share #975 Posted October 18, 2013 No, HMI, effectively daylight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted October 18, 2013 Share #976 Posted October 18, 2013 Here is a small portion of a 100% crop from a hand held 60MP P65+ that is straight out of camera. You will most likely need to click the picture to view it full size. 100% crop OMG - I'm off to buy a Phase One Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted October 18, 2013 Share #977 Posted October 18, 2013 Talk of needing a tripod for high MP cameras is pure nonsense. I don't particularly want to get into this argument (because it is ultimately a bit boring:D) but isn't the salient factor pixel density rather than the overall MP? Your P65+ might have a lot of pixels but the sensor itself is physically much larger than 35mm format so (for the purposes of this discussion of relative handhold-ability) is probably equivalent to 18 or 24MP in the smaller format. You can guess I haven't done the actual maths. All this said, IMO it's a largely academic argument because the 'problem' only manifests itself when viewing an image on screen at 100%. For print, all normal considerations of image enlargement should apply, irrespective of the pixel count. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted October 18, 2013 Share #978 Posted October 18, 2013 High res is exciting isn't it? Tell me again why 18-24MP is enough? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted October 18, 2013 Share #979 Posted October 18, 2013 Not sure the M(240) EVF experience is even remotely relevant to the A7 - different sensor, different processor, different EVF. Yeah, sorry. I meant people here have been commenting on how good an(y) EVF is in terms of WYSIWYG when compared to the rangefinder window. More accurate. DoF feedback, exposure comp ease etc. For sure the A7r will be a massive step up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted October 18, 2013 Share #980 Posted October 18, 2013 Lower pixel density does not make camera shake magically disappear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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