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When you see what is being done with additive 3D printers today you will realize that this statement may no longer be true or at the minimum soon won't be true.

 

Yes but those are run by electronics. Take a fully mechanical pinball vs one with solid state electronics. A vinyl turntable vs a CD player, etc. Not always the case but in general.

 

Anyway, for rangefinder experience somehow it's lasted this long and isn't going away. I'm only 40 and certainly no geezer yet, but I've also preordered the sony. They all are great cameras and it is a fun time to be a photographer

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I bit the bullet and Pre-ordered the A7r camera from B&H. I have never pre-ordered a camera in the past. I will handle the camera next week at PhotoPlus on October 24 and decide if I want to keep my Pre-order or wait for a more advanced camera to come from Sony. Along with the camera I ordered 3 extra batteries, AC charger, and Sony screen protector.

 

I will be bringing to the table my full arsenal of Leica R lenses (16) to work with the camera along with my Minolta CLE MC 40mm f2 Rokkor-M lens (a tiny lens). I have been waiting since the Leica phased out the R system in 2009 for a FF digital home for my R lenses and in the meantime I have used the Lumix G1 and most recently my Fujifilm X-E1 which will become my 2nd camera.

 

I will wait for the full reviews and for the reports of the performance of the WA Leica M lenses with the camera. If it is determined that the WA M lenses perform well with the camera, and if I can afford it I will try to purchase the M lenses probably in the 21 and 28mm focal lengths.

 

Rich

 

The Camera Store shot the Leica 28 Elmarit ASPH on the A7R and confirmed that there was no noticeable vignetting or corner softness. This is a great to hear considering this lens is heavily prone to vignette and colour shift.

 

Sony A7 & A7R Field Test Video - The GetDPI Photography Forums

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I was happy to pay that premium for my M9P when it was the only game in town. The M240, on the other hand, ...

 

Same with me, an early adopter to the M8, M9 and X1 which were break through achievements, albeit the M8 with some teething issues. Since then, technology has progressed significantly and Leica lost its competitive edge. The RF shooting experience alone does not justify the immense price premium for the M240 to me. And if it was for the pleasure of RF shooting in its purest form, I still have my MP. I preordered the A7r and will see whether it can replace my M9.

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...They all are great cameras and it is a fun time to be a photographer
This and similar threads make it seem that it's more fun to be a camera consumer rather than a photographer. The fun of being a photographer toward the end of the film era was making pictures, and people kept film cameras for many years, with a very small proportion changing cameras frequently, perhaps when going on to other formats. Consequently, before the advent of digital, camera production was a low-growth, mature industry not really driven by consumerism.

 

Digital changed that as consumers started not only to replace film cameras with digital cameras but, over the last decade or so, also replacing new digital cameras with newer ones, as rapid technological change improved the image quality and user interface of digital cameras. Today, the bottom end, the bulk of camera sales, has been taken over by smartphone cameras and the top end now has generally good cameras, with relatively little dramatic difference in image quality being introduced. That means it's possible now for a photographer to keep a camera longer, the way it was in the film days. Changing cameras frequently does not contribute to better photography for most people; shooting with the same camera for a few years generally does. So, I would say that it's good to be a photographer now because there is no real technological pressure to change cameras — except of course for consumerism.

 

Now Sony, as a huge but new, camera producer, which is facing a difficult market that essentially has become a mature, lower-growth one, is using it's huge R&D funds to produce two new models aimed at cutting into the leading top-end segment of the DSLR market. This is an understandable strategy. But what is less understandable, except as consumerism, is to see so many people in this and the other similar threads, many of them who have the various Leica-M digital cameras, rushing off to order the A7/A7R, sight unseen in terms of performance with wide-angle M-lenses or in terms of color rendition. So, I guess what it is a great time for — is to be consumerist.

 

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There are a great number of adapters.

From very cheap to very expensive, say from $15 to $300.

By far the best are from Novoflex as they fit precisely.

If perfect alignment isn't achieved IQ will suffer of course.

 

Karl, it has to be very precise as manufacturing, I read with Chinese ring, some people

have problems with some lens, otherwise , there are many other adapters as you said

that cost more :

https://www.phigmenttech.ca/lmnex/index.php?page=product

Sony A-Mount to E-Mount Lens Adapter (Black) LAEA3 B&H Photo

or Novoflex adapter Nex/LEM price:149 E:

Novoflex - _info

Regards

Henry

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For years it was almost a monthly ritual that somebody posted about Sony or Fuji releasing a Leica killer "soon".Many ifs and maybes were discussed, but I have to think this new Sony does extremely well in dealing with many of those ifs and maybes. To be honest I can't even imagine Leica being able to respond to this on a electronics and software level. It makes all the new additions to the m240 like video, evf, focus peaking seem painfully dated, and I can't see them ever catching up with Sony in that department.

That leaves Leica bodies once again in a niche market for rangefinder enthusiasts. And I wonder how many of the new influx (of which im part btw) are really here for the rangefinder.

 

 

I have to wonder how Leica lens sales will evolve. Theoretically it sounds good: new high resolution sensors need the best lenses, but if Leica bodies fall too far behind on the curve I somehow doubt Leica will keep it's mythical status, and we have to wonder why there seems to be so much interest in how the summilux 50mm would perform on the Sony. Once people lose interest in Leica in the digital camera arms race, I think the M lenses will follow the path of the R lenses.

 

 

Exciting times ahead with changes afoot, even for Leica, whether they want it or not.

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Pieter, yes, Leica cannot, and should not, compete head-on with huge companies like Sony and Nikon and Canon. For me the question is whether Leica went wrong with things like including the lame video with the M240 — or, for that matter, with going away from CCD to CMOS; but that depends on whether I'm right in my suspicions that M9 colour rendition is really better than that of the M240, which many M240 owners don't believe.

 

But to come down to reality, we still have to see how well wide-angle M-lenses work on the new Sony cameras and how their colour rendition compares that of the M9 and, yes, the M240 as well.

 

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My criticism of the M240 was that the features it offered over the M9 were so half-assed that buying another camera (maybe a DSLR) was a better option. Sony just released that 'other camera'.

 

It isn't the megapixels (36 doesn't impress me), but rather the ability for it to be a simple camera using MF Leica lenses (our favourites), or a simple AF camera, or a complicated multi function camera. Heaven forfend but you could be out photographing birds or grasshoppers in the morning and playing Cartier Bresson street shooting from the hip in the afternoon, without changing anything in your (small) camera bag. Well maybe you'd need to go home and change out of your wellingtons.

 

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The interesting part is that even if there is no scientific basis for saying a CCD is different from a CMOS sensor, and even if 99% say they can't see a difference, Leica could have used their CCD as their unique selling point and kept their mythical status tied to their camera bodies as well.

 

By going CMOS (and notice how much effort in trying to establish that it is not an ordinary sensor but a CMOSIS or something like that) Leica effectively admitted that there is no difference and that Leica sensors can be directly compared by DXO stats with sony, nikon and canon. At least in the public mind.

 

 

So in the public mind the Leica magic was now transfered to the lenses only. ("Its not about the sensor, its about the lenses") they have given Sony a nice opening to which Sony now seems to be saying: well we build the best sensors, so come use your magical lens on our system.

Basically the m240 body lacks myth or magic. It's a rx1 body with a rangefinder.

 

 

They should have stuck with CCD, if only to keep up appearances that you can never really compare a Leica to a Sony camera. There is power in myths like "yeah, but that CCD has something magical/pop/crispness/special". (Even if there is no scientific proof to it)

Leica is partly build on myth and magic, but gave some of that away. And just based on scientific specs beating a tech giant like Sony seems unlikely.

The way forward for Leica is back into niche mythical projects like the Monochrom. "It makes me a better photographers!" Or " I can see the world in B&W" will always beat whatever specs the follow up of the D800 or A7r will have.

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Pieter, from a myth-making point of view the M240 introduction was botched — think of the dismal colour pictures "leaked" by "the good doctor," as some have called him. On the M-Monochrom, which I have, you have to convince me that it's a "myth" — unless Sony produces one. :D On the M240, I am simply not yet convinced by it's colour rendition, but I am not the only one that is not.

 

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This and similar threads make it seem that it's more fun to be a camera consumer rather than a photographer...

...So, I guess what it is a great time for — is to be consumerist.

 

—Mitch/Paris

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That' s true imo.

Mobile telephones, that 2013-2014 can duplicate the iq of 24x36 film, used according to the one-camera-one-lens-concept and which are available for 1 euro in a flat rate telecom contract, these mobile telephone leave the whole camera industry to people like us, enjoying to talk and boast about expensive gear.

 

Few believe that the word processor did improve literature.

 

But there's absolutely nothing wrong about enjoying photo gear.

And the discussions are more entertaining then about tennis rackets or the leather of foot-balls, that nobody was ever attracted to fondle or proudly carry around most of the time.

I love my film Leicas and MF cameras, but I'll rather buy this new Sony than the X vario. Lastly I'd like to see the jobs of the people 60 km close to my home secured by the development of products that continue to sell well.

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