biglou Posted October 8, 2013 Share #401 Posted October 8, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) They would need to recognise the lenses in order to make decent corrections in firmware - but it is moot as it won't happen. In any case the way choosen by Leica is not exactly the best one. Correction should be applied on the computer, not in the camera. Many benefits to that approach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 8, 2013 Posted October 8, 2013 Hi biglou, Take a look here The Sony A7 thread [Merged]. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
algrove Posted October 8, 2013 Share #402 Posted October 8, 2013 Now that is a very interesting view I hadn't considered. I would welcome any other views on R lenses. My initial reaction was one of size compared with the (expected) diminutive dimensions of the A7s. But intriguing. I wonder if the larger mouth of the R lenses could be beneficial to Sony use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted October 8, 2013 Share #403 Posted October 8, 2013 It's no good assuming that FF and an adapter is just going to work. Manufacturers design their sensors and lenses to match nowadays, so the micro lenses work with the light path and where it is designed to focus on the sensor and at the appropriate angle it hits the sensor. I know its a much larger crop factor, but wide angle FF lenses do not work very well on m4/3 bodies because the original lenses are tele centric in design, and the sensors made to match the straighter path of the light rays. More and more lenses from various other formats now follow this design as it allows the lens to get closer to the body when a mirror doesn't get in the way. So as with a Leica lens on m4/3, say a 21mm, on a Sony FF body it may also display soft corners because of the more acute angle the light path takes. I'm going to wait and see rather than get all excited just yet. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 8, 2013 Share #404 Posted October 8, 2013 Hello, K.H., May I have your advice please: 1. Which focus mode do you use for manual focus with R or M lenses on NEX 6? Phase detection or Contrast focus such as 5X magnification or focus peaking. I don't have a NEX-6. 2. For wide M-lenses (21, 24, 28mm or WATE) on NEX FF,which sensor is more appropriate, 36M or 24M ? assuming micro lenses and correction firmware are not available for Leica lenses. Good question. 3. The comparison of OOC RAW/JPEG files between NEX 6 and M9 in terms of color, pop, and the ease in PP. I don't have a NEX-6. 4. Your evaluation for Hawk Factory M-NEX E adapter, operationability, reliability, and the function of focus shift by helical movement. Thank a lots. Thomas Chen This adapter lets you focus to infinity. By using the helicoid you can also shorten the close focus distance. This adapter has no glass in it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted October 9, 2013 Share #405 Posted October 9, 2013 If Sony's history in producing lenses for its mirrorless cameras is any indication, you won't have much choice except to use adapted lenses anyway, for at least the first couple of years. Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 9, 2013 Share #406 Posted October 9, 2013 If Sony's history in producing lenses for its mirrorless cameras is any indication, you won't have much choice except to use adapted lenses anyway, for at least the first couple of years. Gordon That would not be at problem at all for me! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Chen Posted October 9, 2013 Share #407 Posted October 9, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I don't have a NEX-6 . K.H., Thanks a lot. Sorry, I mean the NEX you have, may be NEX-5 or NEX-7. SAR leaks more information about A7, A7R. A7 features " phase detection" that could be more helpful for manually focus the Leica M lens than the "contrast focusing" . I've tried it out putting the Pentax M lens (manual focus) on the K-5IIs. A7R has only contrast focus, however, with a sensor of 36MP and no AA filter. A7's sensor is also covered with micro-lenses. it is said A7's is better than VG900 (also 24MP FF). David, a SAR reader posted images created by 21,35, and 75mm Leica M lenses together with VG900 in the links within an article posted in SAR yesterday. The image are excellent! However, I'm not sure whether he did any cropping or not. Do you feel comfortable with the Hawk Factory adapter? Is the lug for turning the helicoid in the way when you make focusing? Thanks and Best Regards, Thomas Chen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
derleicaman Posted October 10, 2013 Share #408 Posted October 10, 2013 Everyone is speculating on how Leica M glass will work on these new FF Sonys. Do some searching on results of Leica M lenses on the NEX VG900. I found the results of some of these tests very interesting. BTW, the VG900 is a FF Sony video camera. I think after seeing what the VG900 can do with a wide array of M mount wides, we might be very pleasantly surprised and Sony will certainly give Leica a run for their money. My biggest disappointment is that the new FF Sony cameras will resemble a traditional SLR and not the form factor of the NEX 6/7. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 10, 2013 Share #409 Posted October 10, 2013 Interesting if true. (SR4) New Sony A7/A7r sensor have optimized microlens design | sonyalpharumors Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mixalis Posted October 10, 2013 Share #410 Posted October 10, 2013 My biggest disappointment is that the new FF Sony cameras will resemble a traditional SLR and not the form factor of the NEX 6/7. True.. I could not agree more. In fact, an RX1 with built-in viewfinder and E-mount would be pretty compelling. Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
onceuponatime Posted October 10, 2013 Share #411 Posted October 10, 2013 I have purchased and ditched a number of techonologically advanced cameras as they didnt connect with me. Sony A7/A7r will sell to those who dont necssarily want a camera to connect wtih, just so long as it is technologically advanced. (For those who wanta digital camera to collect with : Leica M, Digilux2, Epson RD1, Fuji S100/s, Olympus EP1/2/3/5, Panasonic GX7). . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
naturephoto1 Posted October 10, 2013 Share #412 Posted October 10, 2013 Sony Alpha Rumors is reporting more Specs for the A7 and A7r FF E-mount cameras: (SR5) More A7/A7r specs and info | sonyalpharumors and confirming that the new sensors are brand new (supposed to be from the ground up): "They all confirmed that the A7 and A7r sensors are newly designed FF sensor. Exclusively made for them to overcome the issues of the ultra short flange distance. Wide Anlge lenses will perform much better on the A7 and A7r than on the VG900 E-mount FF sensor." (SR5) More sources confirm: A7 and A7r sensors are brand new (and fake A7r image warning) | sonyalpharumors Additionally the horrible photo that they have suggests that the EVF hump for the cameras may be smaller than expected: First image of the Sony A7-A7r presentation? (low resolution pics of the cams). | sonyalpharumors Rich Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Available Light Posted October 11, 2013 Share #413 Posted October 11, 2013 You can pick up an M8 on eBay for about £900 (€1100); I bought one (3500 actuations) for £875 and am v.v.v. happy with it. Earlier in April this year I bought a Sony Nex3N as a compact all around camera and with the anticipation of using my Leica M lenses (35,50,90) with it. I was quite eager at the beginning, since the results were fantastic on this 1.5x crop camera. But the usability sucks big time. Focus peaking is fine, but it works best when the lens is wide open. So this adds an extra step of stopping the lens down before shooting away. I ended up using the tiny kit lens most of the time. Sadly, I remembered my earlier experiences with Canon DSLRs when I was using them with manual focus Zeiss, Olympus, and Pentax lenses. Same thing, hindered user experience, and many missed photo opportunities with lots of frustration. Only in landscape, architectural, or studio shots I was comfortable. Therefore, I now think that a Leica M lens can be best utilised in a proper M mount rangefinder body. It just works, with no frustration. If only I could afford a digital M (without selling any of my lenses and my beloved M2)... My two cents... Koray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
onceuponatime Posted October 11, 2013 Share #414 Posted October 11, 2013 If Sony are aiming this at the enthusiast, semi pro, pros then hopefully they have thought out the design to be as less intrusive as possible betewen photographer and subject, as a M, Xvario. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted October 11, 2013 Share #415 Posted October 11, 2013 It seems to me that a smart thing for Leica to do is make a version of the M without a rangefinder but with the new Olympus VF 4 EVF built in. Of course this also assumes they can make their live view shooting to work as fast as it is on the Sonys. I played with one of the Sony SLT cameras last week and was blown away at how fast it is. My Nex 6 is also very quick and responsive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted October 11, 2013 Share #416 Posted October 11, 2013 If Sony are aiming this at the enthusiast, semi pro, pros then hopefully they have thought out the design to be as less intrusive as possible betewen photographer and subject, as a M, Xvario. The problem is that Sony cameras have many more features and customization capabilities built in. Even after almost a year of owning the Nex 6 I get stumped occasionally. But this mostly has to do with trying to remember if there is some special mode or feature to use for a specific application... and then figuring out how to set it. I wouldn't give up these features... such as the ability to review and transfer images via wifi to my cell phone, or lose the twilight and other shooting modes just for a more user friendly camera. Considering the newest Sony cameras accept Play Memory Apps, any kind of simpler or custom user interface could be designed and loaded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanyasi Posted October 11, 2013 Share #417 Posted October 11, 2013 For what it is worth, I cancelled my order for the new Olympus OM-D E-M1 camera and a lens a week ago today when I heard about this new Sony FF Nex camera. I had been looking for a backup for Leica and something that would take zooms with auto focus. I will need to read the reviews on the Sony when they begin to appear, but the full frame and the generally good things I have heard about Sony sensors were enough to cause me to wait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tthorne Posted October 13, 2013 Share #418 Posted October 13, 2013 While you would have to pull both of my M240s from my cold dead hands, I do like the idea of another FF camera as a backup to use with my M lenses as well as the possibility of using AF lenses in the future if I felt like it. I also don't like to bracket shots on the M240 for the occasional HDR/Fusion, so the Sony could be a really high quality yet affordable beater as well. The old instinct was to pick up a Fuji for this reason because I like how the controls are most similar to the Leica. The only drawbacks are the lack of auto bracketing options (so have to do it manually), crop factor, and the wonky CFA they use. Anyone else thinking about this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted October 13, 2013 Share #419 Posted October 13, 2013 An electronic viewfinder, interchangeable lens (EVIL) camera with a full frame sensor that will come in 24mp and 36mp versions. Featuring entirely new sensors with offset micro lenses (like the M9/M240) and no AA filter (on the 36mp version). And these new cameras will come with a new line of AF lenses, or you can use your Leica M lenses with an adapter. Nope, never crossed my mind.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tthorne Posted October 13, 2013 Share #420 Posted October 13, 2013 An electronic viewfinder, interchangeable lens (EVIL) camera with a full frame sensor that will come in 24mp and 36mp versions. Featuring entirely new sensors with offset micro lenses (like the M9/M240) and no AA filter (on the 36mp version). And these new cameras will come with a new line of AF lenses, or you can use your Leica M lenses with an adapter. Nope, never crossed my mind.... Hahaha!!! Well, when you put it that way! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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