The Sony A7 thread [Merged]

[dwbell]

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I realise I'm in a minority here but I'm really more interested in how the A7/R performs with its own Zeiss FE lenses, i.e. as a standalone DSLR replacement (maybe using longer R's on it would be interesting but that's probably about it for me).

 

Leica's M's are rangefinders first and foremost as far as I'm concerned....if and when (almost certainly, when) they introduce an AF CSC then that camera v the A7/R will be a more valid comparison to make.

 

Of course I understand the interest in using M lenses on less expensive bodies, and that's fine, but using Leica lenses on Leica bodies and Nikkor lenses on Nikon bodies etc, etc. is surely preferable (there are forced exceptions, e.g. there is no current Leica FF DSLR body for R lenses, just as there is no current Olympus FF body for Zuiko lenses).

 

I count two of us so far!

[lct]

The only interest of those little Sonys lie in using M or R lenses as far as the LUF is concerned at least otherwise this thread would have no point.

[dwbell]

The only interest of those little Sonys lie in using M or R lenses as far as the LUF is concerned at least otherwise this thread would have no point.

 

I disagree for the reasons I've stated previously in this thread. If this replaces my M, then it has a point here.

[Peter H]

The only interest of those little Sonys lie in using M or R lenses as far as the LUF is concerned at least otherwise this thread would have no point.

 

This is a good point. Otherwise, the Sony is just another good camera, as many others are.

[edwardkaraa]

I realise I'm in a minority here but I'm really more interested in how the A7/R performs with its own Zeiss FE lenses, i.e. as a standalone DSLR replacement (maybe using longer R's on it would be interesting but that's probably about it for me).

 

Leica's M's are rangefinders first and foremost as far as I'm concerned....if and when (almost certainly, when) they introduce an AF CSC then that camera v the A7/R will be a more valid comparison to make.

 

Of course I understand the interest in using M lenses on less expensive bodies, and that's fine, but using Leica lenses on Leica bodies and Nikkor lenses on Nikon bodies etc, etc. is surely preferable (there are forced exceptions, e.g. there is no current Leica FF DSLR body for R lenses, just as there is no current Olympus FF body for Zuiko lenses).

 

That is what I've said all along.

[Peter H]

I disagree for the reasons I've stated previously in this thread. If this replaces my M, then it has a point here.

 

I can understand your point of view, but the same would apply to any camera that anyone might prefer to a Leica M, of which there have been and still are very many!

[dwbell]

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I can understand your point of view, but the same would apply to any camera that anyone might prefer to a Leica M, of which there have been and still are very many!

 

That's subjective though Peter, as is my opinion. As long as my subjective opinion is that there are not many, and until this point there has only been the digital M (which is the only reason I'm here in the first place, couldn't care less for RF or manual focus lenses) - and as long as yours is that there are many, we will again have to agree to disagree.

 

I came here for a smaller/lighter than DSLR body, high IQ, full frame interchangeable lens camera. I consider the A7R to be a direct competitor to my M240. As I consider the X100S a direct competitor to my M+35cron. So in my frame of reference it has a place here.

[Peter H]

That's subjective though Peter, as is my opinion. …….

 

It's not subjective to state that many people (the huge majority of camera owners) prefer something else to a Leica M, for their own reasons. It's an objective fact.

 

But I do take your point of course!

[jonoslack]

I realise I'm in a minority here but I'm really more interested in how the A7/R performs with its own Zeiss FE lenses, i.e. as a standalone DSLR replacement (maybe using longer R's on it would be interesting but that's probably about it for me).

 

Leica's M's are rangefinders first and foremost as far as I'm concerned....if and when (almost certainly, when) they introduce an AF CSC then that camera v the A7/R will be a more valid comparison to make.

 

HI There

I couldn't agree more - I'm not interested in a replacement for my M - but I am interested in a high quality portable AF camera - my current squeeze is the Olympus E-M1, but I'm right up for being tempted away. . . . . but like you - I'm interested in the Zeiss/Sony lenses, I'll keep my M lenses on my M.

 

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[Camping]

Hi

 

I am considering the A7R for my R glass...

 

Paul

[stevelap]

HI There

I couldn't agree more - I'm not interested in a replacement for my M - but I am interested in a high quality portable AF camera - my current squeeze is the Olympus E-M1, but I'm right up for being tempted away. . . . . but like you - I'm interested in the Zeiss/Sony lenses, I'll keep my M lenses on my M.

 

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Hi Jono,

 

Indeed. I had an EM-5 and came within 48hrs of taking an EM-1 I'd pre-ordered........and then along came the Sony announcement. Much as I was looking forward to the new Olympus (it just feels so right in the hand) it would be a shame not to check out the full-frame Sony first.

[rosuna]

You can download an app to the Sony A7 and A7r camera for in-camera lens corrections, and create and save a "profile".

 

It is a good idea for a similar app by Leica:

 

 

You can use your Zeiss and Leica lenses and have the corrected in the camera!

[k-hawinkler]

Well, IMHO it doesn't have to be an either or.

Different size sensor cameras, like FF, APS-C, MFT, have different benefits.

Image quality for me is just one consideration, being a user of 14 to 600 mm or even longer equivalent focal lengths.

Sensors have gotten already sufficiently good that this has become possible.

I don't see a contradiction in owning an D800E, M9, (soon an) A7R, NEX-7, and E-M1.

Heck, at some point I might add a Fuji and a Rhinocam (for medium format use).

Also, owning quite a few Leica lenses of M, R, and V type, it makes sense for me to find out on which cameras they excel.

I will continue to use them along native lenses where it makes sense. Why not?

[CaptZoom]

Well, IMHO it doesn't have to be an either or.

Different size sensor cameras, like FF, APS-C, MFT, have different benefits.

Image quality for me is just one consideration, being a user of 14 to 600 mm or even longer equivalent focal lengths.

Sensors have gotten already sufficiently good that this has become possible.

I don't see a contradiction in owning an D800E, M9, (soon an) A7R, NEX-7, and E-M1.

Heck, at some point I might add a Fuji and a Rhinocam (for medium format use).

Also, owning quite a few Leica lenses of M, R, and V type, it makes sense for me to find out on which cameras they excel.

I will continue to use them along native lenses where it makes sense. Why not?

 

K-H

 

I think most here will/do agree with the above. And for many maintaining four (five if you subdivide the NEX and NEX FF) camera systems is not feasible.

 

I'm excited about the A7r, but I'm much more excited about the future of high quality mirrorless cameras where cross platform compatibility of lenses is becoming less of an issue. The camera bodies are starting to become interchangeable.

[Mr_Jones]

You can download an app to the Sony A7 and A7r camera for in-camera lens corrections, and create and save a "profile".

 

It is a good idea for a similar app by Leica:

 

 

You can use your Zeiss and Leica lenses and have the corrected in the camera!

 

This gets bandied around a lot but the reality is it's not yet an option for the A7r. I've tried and that's how I know.

[algrove]

Here's a weird one.

 

Adorama just told me that the 24-70 FE lens is forecast to be due in next week! I mentioned that the Sony website even says it will not be available until February. She checked again and reconfirmed they expect it next week. I bet they mean the 28-70 FE which I do not want. We will see when and what I actually get.

 

They are sticking to a ship date for the a7r of the first week in December.

[Rick]

Rick, these examples only demonstrate, that Sony puts less priority on compatibility with legacy Leica lenses than Leica.

 

I agree. But, when this all started Sony was claiming compatibility with Leica M lenses and is even offering an adaptor. So far, Sony is way behind Leica in this area. I'm just pointing it out.

 

And of course a sensor/electronics design that does not support to move the live view / EVF focus aid (magnfication area) out of the center is IMHO far away from cutting edge.

 

I guess you can look at your example that way. Or, to borrow one of your rationalizations, your example only demonstrate, that Leica puts less priority on LV shooting. Yeah, I know, you might say that it is needed for the R-lenses... but, let's face it, Leica places even less priority on that... maybe, only an after thought of priority... maybe, more like no priority.

 

We do completely agree that the WATE is going to be... to borrow a line from SH... "Crazy Good!!!" on the A7R. I see on eBay that you almost can't touch one for under $5K now.

[Guest polygamer]

This gets bandied around a lot but the reality is it's not yet an option for the A7r. I've tried and that's how I know.

Hi, this is how the app works on the NEX-6 with the ZEISS Distagon 4,5/21.

 

One picture has its pink corners corrected mildly, but which?

 

So, this is what one might expect for the A7/R in future.

 

Something to look forward to?

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[IkarusJohn]

Much as I like the idea of this Sony (and it's capabilities would sit well with my other cameras) I'm not going to buy some average Sony/Zeiss glass to go with it. Money spent on depreciating cameras is one thing, wasting money on more lenses is quite another.

 

I like the glass I have. If the Sony works with some lenses and not others, I don't particularly mind. I'm not buying a WATE (I otherwise don't want) to go with a camera which is secondary to my Leicas. I don't want a WATE one my M9, so I won't get one for the Sony.

 

When Leica releases a similar camera for, say $3,500 to $4,000 I'll buy that and ditch the Sony. The Leica will, I'm sure, provide unmatched IQ for Leica glass. Why not buy the M? Too expensive and too flawed. It isn't the future, except for that small tip of the iceberg part of the market.

 

Cheers

John

 

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[Rick]

I don't know John. M is too flawed? I really want to tell you that in daily shooting, this is the least flawed camera I've ever owned. I'm not sure what flaws you imagine.

 

Look over on SH site and his high ISO shots he posted today. He has a sort of stupid comparison. But, the M comes out with better AWB. The 6400 ISO shots show a lot more color noise in the A7R and that is with Steve over exposing the M240 by about a stop. If, you only read the LUF site you would think the poor old my is way behind the curve.

 

I do understand the price point of the Leica is too high for some. I also would like to see it in the $4K range. I'll cut Leica some slack for having an expensive RF and being a small company, but at some point they need to get below $5K, from my point of view. From their POV, why do they care... they can't keep up with demand... for now.

 

I also agree that the M9 was and is a great camera. I still have all of those files in LR. I never look at them and wish, if they were taken with my M. All of the files from M8 through the M look silly good to me. It's the glass, baby!