pico Posted November 25, 2013 Share #2821 Posted November 25, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Or why you bother to notice.... Good observation. Thanks for that. I have abandoned Leica digital since the introduction of the M9, which I own and enjoy. Today all I use for serious work is film MF or LF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ozkar Posted November 25, 2013 Share #2822 Posted November 25, 2013 I like the rangefinder, but it is limited. We all need to be a bit honest about this. The rangefinder is perfect for everything from 28 to 90, provided your subject is centre frame. Wider than 28, you need an additional viewfinder, longer than 90 and focusing becomes a problem. That's not really very good, is it? Before Jaap tells me about focusing and reframing (then moving your head back a bit), I gave up guess focusing when I got my first Nikon with that fabulous focusing screen - when was that now? 1977? I posted elsewhere here a comparison of a rose taken with the M9 (focused and reframed) and with my D800E - some may not like the colours from the D800E, but it was perfectly focused, where the M9 clearly was not. Poor technique on my part? Hmm, well, it is only guesswork, isn't it? It would be good if Leica joined the 21st century (well, actually the last quarter of the 20th would be good). Cheers John I would argue that the RF is only "perfect" for 35mm and 50mm focal lengths. 28mm is hard work requiring that you constantly scan around the VF to frame accurately. 75mm is virtually guess work since you don't even get frame lines. And with 90mm you're forced to work with a very small frame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozkar Posted November 25, 2013 Share #2823 Posted November 25, 2013 Out of parts for M9 ? Where has this been reported ? Leica have been caught off-guard with the inordinately high number of CCD sensor replacements for the M9 and M-E. They do not currently have any CCD's in stock. If your M9 requires a sensor replacement, expect to wait up to 6 months. An order for a new M-E could take well over 6 months. Sensor issues are reeking havoc for Leica at present. The CMOSIS sensor for the M240 has a very high rejection rate. This is one of the key reasons why Leica have been slow to deliver M240's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted November 25, 2013 Share #2824 Posted November 25, 2013 Leica have been caught off-guard with the inordinately high number of CCD sensor replacements for the M9 and M-E. They do not currently have any CCD's in stock. If your M9 requires a sensor replacement, expect to wait up to 6 months. An order for a new M-E could take well over 6 months. Sensor issues are reeking havoc for Leica at present. The CMOSIS sensor for the M240 has a very high rejection rate. This is one of the key reasons why Leica have been slow to deliver M240's. I to had heard that there was a significant backlog of M9s in Australia awaiting replacement sensors. I don't know if this has been rectified yet. If there really is such a long wait it is disgraceful and inexcusable, and if it was me I would be vigorously seeking redress from Leica. Imagine Mercedes Benz telling it's customers "sorry no engine repairs - just leave the car in the workshop and we'll call you in six months or so when we have the part in stock" I should add that my M9 and Monochrom have never had a sensor problem and both are performing perfectly (at the moment). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted November 25, 2013 Share #2825 Posted November 25, 2013 Leica have been caught off-guard with the inordinately high number of CCD sensor replacements for the M9 and M-E. They do not currently have any CCD's in stock. If your M9 requires a sensor replacement, expect to wait up to 6 months. An order for a new M-E could take well over 6 months. Sensor issues are reeking havoc for Leica at present. The CMOSIS sensor for the M240 has a very high rejection rate. This is one of the key reasons why Leica have been slow to deliver M240's. How do you know? What's your information source? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
}{B Posted November 25, 2013 Share #2826 Posted November 25, 2013 Hi,any experiences with the 35 Summicron (IV) ? Best regards Michael I'll second that request. I'm considering the A7/A7R to use with my MkIV Summicron and a Zeiss 50mm Planar. As the the MkIV is the silver version it has some weight and I was wondering if, leaving aside the extra pixels, the stronger build quality of the 7R was advisable? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozkar Posted November 25, 2013 Share #2827 Posted November 25, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I to had heard that there was a significant backlog of M9s in Australia awaiting replacement sensors. I don't know if this has been rectified yet. If there really is such a long wait it is disgraceful and inexcusable, and if it was me I would be vigorously seeking redress from Leica. Imagine Mercedes Benz telling it's customers "sorry no engine repairs - just leave the car in the workshop and we'll call you in six months or so when we have the part in stock" This is a sorry situation at present. Here's an excerpt of a discussion thread from Steve Huff: Ozkar says: November 22, 2013 at 2:03 am I would think twice about buying an M9 that is not under warranty. The biggest area of concern is the CCD sensor which has a very thin cover glass that is prone to delaminating and, in some cases, cracking. Reply Huss says: November 22, 2013 at 9:09 am That happened to my M-E that I bought last year. Used it for 9 glorious months and now it needs a new CCD board. Been w/o it for 3 months now as parts are back ordered. I can’t say I’m thrilled.. It’s under warranty but I wonder how much that would cost if I had to pay for it. Reply lenticular2013 says: November 22, 2013 at 3:14 pm My M9 issue as purchased cheaply was an unrecognised SDcard reader, following a simple firmware update. Problem is the card reader is on the sensor motherboard. I have also been waiting since July for this to be repaired. Reply Patrick says: November 22, 2013 at 5:15 pm My M9 is now back after a replacement CCD took 5 months and a follow up each week. I am in Australia and the service from Leica is appalling to say the least. Sent my 75 mm Summicron in to be fixed after dropping it at a job, my fault and after 10 weeks in Germany arrived back in Australia last week only to be sent back because of shoddy repair. This is not a general issue I appreciate but My experience to date is disappointing. Leica do not like to inform their customers which will be their undoing with so many other alternatives currently out there. BTW I love my M9 and the images that come from it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted November 26, 2013 Share #2828 Posted November 26, 2013 It wouldn’t be good - they would build a me-too camera and would be unable to compete on price - finito….Actually, I can never remember whether to bend forward or backwards. . I look forward to reading your justification for buying one, when (if) Leica get around to releasing one. Bear in mind that at varying times Stefan Daniels, Alfred Schopf and Andreas Kaufmann have all said that such a camera is coming at some stage; and you have bought every M mount camera Leica has released since 2009 (apart from the M-E, but that doesn't count really as you already had an M9). :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted November 26, 2013 Share #2829 Posted November 26, 2013 This is a sorry situation at present. Here's an excerpt of a discussion thread from Steve Huff: Ozkar says: November 22, 2013 at 2:03 am I would think twice about buying an M9 that is not under warranty. The biggest area of concern is the CCD sensor which has a very thin cover glass that is prone to delaminating and, in some cases, cracking. Reply Huss says: November 22, 2013 at 9:09 am That happened to my M-E that I bought last year. Used it for 9 glorious months and now it needs a new CCD board. Been w/o it for 3 months now as parts are back ordered. I can’t say I’m thrilled.. It’s under warranty but I wonder how much that would cost if I had to pay for it. Reply lenticular2013 says: November 22, 2013 at 3:14 pm My M9 issue as purchased cheaply was an unrecognised SDcard reader, following a simple firmware update. Problem is the card reader is on the sensor motherboard. I have also been waiting since July for this to be repaired. Reply Patrick says: November 22, 2013 at 5:15 pm My M9 is now back after a replacement CCD took 5 months and a follow up each week. I am in Australia and the service from Leica is appalling to say the least. Sent my 75 mm Summicron in to be fixed after dropping it at a job, my fault and after 10 weeks in Germany arrived back in Australia last week only to be sent back because of shoddy repair. This is not a general issue I appreciate but My experience to date is disappointing. Leica do not like to inform their customers which will be their undoing with so many other alternatives currently out there. BTW I love my M9 and the images that come from it How was that characterized by our esteemed Moderator? http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/2565040-post2800.html, quote: "There is one uncorroborated rumour in this forum." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted November 26, 2013 Share #2830 Posted November 26, 2013 I should clarify that the problem with lack of M9 sensors for repairs was told to me directly by my Leica dealer, albeit some months ago, when I seem to recall that he had more than six customers M9s awaiting new sensors. But of course he was just an unsustantiated dealer spreading unsubstantiated rumours and having to deal with furious unsubstantiated M9 owners . Again though, I don't know if the unsubstantiated situation has subsequently improved. Can anyone provide an up to date clarification of the sensor situation - unsubstantiated of course . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted November 26, 2013 Share #2831 Posted November 26, 2013 Good observation. Thanks for that. I have abandoned Leica digital since the introduction of the M9, which I own and enjoy. Today all I use for serious work is film MF or LF. Because you can only do "serious photography" using film emulsion? :roll eyes: I can't speak for others posting and reading here, but I am interested in this camera for Leica lenses, so it is very relevant - particularly as Leica seems to hope that the demand for this camera (what, 2 years?) will go away if they ignore it for long enough. Having decried spending money on the Sony/Zeiss lenses for the A7R, I am tempted to add one native lens which uses the entire functionality of the camera; particularly as the 28 Summicron doesn't look that good with the A7R. If Zeiss make a manual focus 28 or 24 for the A7R (FE mount), I'll be very tempted. I'll be a very substantiated happy A7R owner, and I'll still have the pleasure of using my Leica lenses on my unsubstantiated Leica M cameras :-) Cheers John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 26, 2013 Share #2832 Posted November 26, 2013 How was that characterized by our esteemed Moderator? http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/2565040-post2800.html, quote: “There is one uncorroborated rumour in this forum.” This forum…Not that blog.. However, this appears to indicate that the do get repaired, albeit far and away too slowly. And that service to Australia is very slow, as has been mentioned often before. The rumour was that they were completely unavailable and the cameras thus unrepairable. Reading is not an easy accomplishment… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted November 26, 2013 Share #2833 Posted November 26, 2013 Even worse! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted November 26, 2013 Share #2834 Posted November 26, 2013 This forum…Not that blog.. Right! That's okay then - if it didn't happen on this forum, it can't be true. You added this bit, Jaap: However, this appears to indicate that the do get repaired, albeit far and away too slowly. And that service to Australia is very slow, as has been mentioned often before. The rumour was that they were completely unavailable and the cameras thus unrepairable. Reading is not an easy accomplishment… Nice try - a problem with sensor supplies becomes "completely unavailable", which can't be true, so the whole e "rumour" is nonsense and restricted to Australia. Then again, it could be that Leica has a problem with sensor supplies, and this does not necessarily augur well for those relying on a 10 year post discontinuance guarantee of spares ... But it is just a rumour from "that blog", so it's okay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozkar Posted November 26, 2013 Share #2835 Posted November 26, 2013 I should clarify that the problem with lack of M9 sensors for repairs was told to me directly by my Leica dealer, albeit some months ago, when I seem to recall that he had more than six customers M9s awaiting new sensors. But of course he was just an unsustantiated dealer spreading unsubstantiated rumours and having to deal with furious unsubstantiated M9 owners . Again though, I don't know if the unsubstantiated situation has subsequently improved. Can anyone provide an up to date clarification of the sensor situation - unsubstantiated of course . I personally spoke to an Australian dealer last week that has 4 x M9's sitting in a long-queue awaiting repairs for cracked/delaminated sensors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozkar Posted November 26, 2013 Share #2836 Posted November 26, 2013 This forum…Not that blog..However, this appears to indicate that the do get repaired, albeit far and away too slowly. And that service to Australia is very slow, as has been mentioned often before. The rumour was that they were completely unavailable and the cameras thus unrepairable. Reading is not an easy accomplishment… The service in Australia is not the issue. I have had very good dealings with Camera Clinic (the official Leica repair agent in Australia). These cameras get sent to Solms promptly where they sit around for a very long time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted November 26, 2013 Share #2837 Posted November 26, 2013 In reading the statements about M9 cameras I'd be concerned if this might get to the point where dealers and sales staff lost faith in Leica. Hopefully it won't. A long time ago while working at my cousin's camera store on my summer vacations I sold a lot of high end Beaulieu super 8 and a few 16mm movie cameras. I thought I had done good as these were expensive cameras and it seemed to me that they were quite good. With my faith in them I had little problem up-selling many of our well to do clients who came in looking for a movie camera. When I returned the next year I got a lot of flack from the other salesmen who had to deal with all of the unhappy customers whose cameras broke and needed repair. The store no longer carried the brand after that. The same thing happened with Mirandas that we only carried after Consumers Reports crazily named one model as its best buy. That forced us to stock them as customers didn't believe us when we told them we couldn't recommend the brand. I think Miranda offered me $20 for every Miranda I sold and I wouldn't touch them. I can still see a lens falling off of one after my customer accidentally grazed the lens lock button while focusing. (He caught it in mid air.) So many broke that we had Miranda send us a repairman and did in store free repairs for our customers. We could barely get Leica gear and thus nobody pushed it and few knew it well. (I think another nearby dealer got more favorable treatment from Leica.) We never had major issues with Nikon, Minolta, Canon, Pentax, Olympus, Konica, and some others. I almost always recommended and could sell a Nikon or Nikkormat to people who didn't ask for a specific 35mm brand. And I felt good about that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 26, 2013 Share #2838 Posted November 26, 2013 Why would that matter to anyone other than as some kind of diversion? Do you think a high percentage of Sony p&s cameras should be compared to M8s? I bet lots of 10 year old Canon 1Ds's are also still working. So what? Are you planning to buy one of those? . You are pulling my posts completely out of context and reacting to a side argument that was not even started by me. Read #2765 onwards. I would have expected better from you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 26, 2013 Share #2839 Posted November 26, 2013 The service in Australia is not the issue. I have had very good dealings with Camera Clinic (the official Leica repair agent in Australia). These cameras get sent to Solms promptly where they sit around for a very long time. Not my issue somebody else’s apparently. I was simply reading your post. Patrick says […..] I am in Australia and the service from Leica is appalling to say the least Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 26, 2013 Share #2840 Posted November 26, 2013 Even worse! Not worse. Unrepairable would be a disaster. But pretty bad all the same, I agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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