k-hawinkler Posted October 2, 2013 Share #21 Posted October 2, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) This feature reminds me of one of the very first images I ever took with a Leica. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/111223-bright-dark-boundary-artifact-m9-image.html I also have seen pretty nervous looking bokeh from the Lux-M ASPH 50/1.4. It depends on the circumstances, how far the background is OOF, etc. My 2 cents. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Stealth3kpl Posted October 2, 2013 Author Share #22 Posted October 2, 2013 Huh!? How can you say it's processed and not processed in the same sentence? You are contradicting yourself! Can you provide the original file? I'm almost sure it's possible to find a way around it. Well—obviously there is. 1) "Huh!? How can you say it's processed and not processed in the same sentence? You are contradicting yourself!" I know it was easily done: I was referring to sharpening/clarity, then I realised that even highlight control is post processing. The third image shows with no highlight control or sharpening etc, only conversion to jpeg so, to all intents and purposes, no user controlable post processing unless there's something I'm missing. I'll open in CS4 camera raw with everything turned off and and we'll see what happens. 2) "Can you provide the original file? I'm almost sure it's possible to find a way around it." What's the name of that sharing site Drop <something> ? It would be good to see what can be done 3) "Well—obviously there is" Yes there must be, but I don't know where Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Gunst Lund Posted October 2, 2013 Share #23 Posted October 2, 2013 It IS the lens. You can see it on the camera screen when shooting. It has nothing to do with post processing. I believe you are describing another type of artifact in the OOF areas. I believe some of us are talking about the hillside 'bleeding' into the sky area... Or we just disagree No problem. Also what you see on the back of a Digital camera doesn't prove anything, the camera does in camera processing for the display similar to what you apply in PP... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 2, 2013 Share #24 Posted October 2, 2013 Dropbox? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Gunst Lund Posted October 2, 2013 Share #25 Posted October 2, 2013 1) 2) "Can you provide the original file? I'm almost sure it's possible to find a way around it." What's the name of that sharing site Drop <something> ? It would be good to see what can be done Pete Dropbox Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted October 2, 2013 Author Share #26 Posted October 2, 2013 I'll try to sort out dropbox. Hang tight. This is the file through CS4 with everything turned off in CameraRaw: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/213921-is-this-an-asph-trait/?do=findComment&comment=2433256'>More sharing options...
01af Posted October 2, 2013 Share #27 Posted October 2, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) ... with everything turned off in Camera Raw [...] There is no way of "everything turned off" in Camera Raw. If there was then the result would be no image to look at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted October 2, 2013 Share #28 Posted October 2, 2013 I believe you are describing another type of artifact in the OOF areas. I believe some of us are talking about the hillside 'bleeding' into the sky area... Or we just disagree No problem. Also what you see on the back of a Digital camera doesn't prove anything, the camera does in camera processing for the display similar to what you apply in PP... We are talking about the double lines are we not? You can see double imaging in the foliage too. I have a few photos from my 35 FLE that exhibit this without any post processing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Gunst Lund Posted October 2, 2013 Share #29 Posted October 2, 2013 There is no way of "everything turned off" in Camera Raw. If there was then the result would be no image to look at. I agree, thats why I suggested working the sliders -100% to +100% and watch what each 'tool' does at various values in the RAW converter. Especially Highlight recover has completely it's own life and very different in CS4 compared to CS6... Clarity is very powerful in CS6 as a side note Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted October 2, 2013 Author Share #30 Posted October 2, 2013 Dropbox isn't working out. You have to pay for greater than a 2Gb file. I'm happy to load it on a disc and send it by post?! Is there another web service? Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Pedley Posted October 2, 2013 Share #31 Posted October 2, 2013 M9 + Summilux 50 ASPH. Screenshot of DNG opened in Photoshop. No processing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted October 2, 2013 Author Share #32 Posted October 2, 2013 There is no way of "everything turned off" in Camera Raw. If there was then the result would be no image to look at. I took Erik to mean set everything to zero that can be set to zero Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Gunst Lund Posted October 2, 2013 Share #33 Posted October 2, 2013 We are talking about the double lines are we not? You can see double imaging in the foliage too. I have a few photos from my 35 FLE that exhibit this without any post processing. No. IMHO I agree that this lens does have a tendency for double lines in OOF but so does many lenses. I'm pretty sure we are talking about the hillside 'bleeding' into the sky area... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Gunst Lund Posted October 2, 2013 Share #34 Posted October 2, 2013 I took Erik to mean set everything to zero that can be set to zero Pete Zero in a Raw converter is a 'chosen' value that the software programmer/designer decides on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erudolph Posted October 2, 2013 Share #35 Posted October 2, 2013 M9 + Summilux 50 ASPH. Screenshot of DNG opened in Photoshop. No processing. But this shot has clipped sky, so I'm not sure what it demonstrates. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Gunst Lund Posted October 2, 2013 Share #36 Posted October 2, 2013 Dropbox isn't working out. You have to pay for greater than a 2Gb file. I'm happy to load it on a disc and send it by post?! Is there another web service?Pete Your DNG file should be a lot less than 2GB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Gunst Lund Posted October 2, 2013 Share #37 Posted October 2, 2013 But this shot has clipped sky, so I'm not sure what it demonstrates. Very similar sample, again there is no such thing as 'No Processing' a RAW file... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Pedley Posted October 2, 2013 Share #38 Posted October 2, 2013 But this shot has clipped sky, so I'm not sure what it demonstrates. Same/similar effect to the original post? Not sure either, but am interested to understand the exact root cause (lens characteristics) of that thick yellow band. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted October 2, 2013 Author Share #39 Posted October 2, 2013 Your DNG file should be a lot less than 2GB LOL, of course it is, I'll download it again! Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted October 2, 2013 Share #40 Posted October 2, 2013 Here is a crop from the outside edge of my 35 FLE. It is an out of focus foot in a shoe and you can see it has double imaging in the bokeh, it is a trait of this lens and is not an effect of processing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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