gravastar Posted September 10, 2013 Share #21 Posted September 10, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) One factor could be the Maestro chip technology/architecture is from 5 or more years ago. A lot has happened in semiconductor/performance development since then. That's assuming the chip hasn't had a major redesign since introduction. Bob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lct Posted September 10, 2013 Share #22 Posted September 10, 2013 Startup times have nothing to do with blackout times actually. Startup times don't depend on LV and are around 2 seconds for me, whilst blackout times do depend upon LV and are longer than 4 seconds generally. I did not buy the M240 for its LV capabilities fortunately but i did not expect to get startup times twice as long as those of my M8.2 let alone my much faster DSLRs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 10, 2013 Share #23 Posted September 10, 2013 I suppose they are linked by the SD communication times. EVF blackout on my camera varies a little, usually about 1.5 sec, sometimes a bit more, never more than 2 sec approx. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 10, 2013 Share #24 Posted September 10, 2013 Hard to believe Jaap. How do you measure those times? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 10, 2013 Share #25 Posted September 10, 2013 And blackout times have nothing to do with memory cards. Remove your card and you'll get the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted September 11, 2013 Share #26 Posted September 11, 2013 I've used the Oly version of the M240's evf on an EP2 and the blackout time isn't as long as being described, so it seems it's not the EVF at the root of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 11, 2013 Share #27 Posted September 11, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Startup, wakeup and blackout times don't change with the EVF on or off actually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted September 11, 2013 Share #28 Posted September 11, 2013 I suppose they are linked by the SD communication times. ... I'm not sure that they would be, Jaap. I'd have thought that once the data is written from the the sensor to the buffer then the processor can resume streaming to the EVF or LCD and writing the data from the buffer to the SD card can continue in the background. All guesswork. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted September 11, 2013 Share #29 Posted September 11, 2013 Here is the good news, for me anyway and I expect for just about everyone else. Took the EVF off the camera and shot the morning with the RF and used classic mode... Battery life is back to the superb all day shooting on one battery (Iwas going through 3 batteries with the EVF. I can shoot and bring the camera down and review on the LCD faster than I can shoot having to wait for a couple of seconds for the EVF to clear the blackout. I don't have to turn the camera off and on or remove the battery at all. I was probably removing the base plate 50 times a day with the EVF. Lots of bugs to work out with LV hang-ups and LV dimming after sleep (this requires some combination of battery removal and turning the camera off and on). RF shooting is pure bliss! I love the M again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 11, 2013 Share #30 Posted September 11, 2013 Hard to believe Jaap. How do you measure those times? Using the camera with a stopwatch running on my laptop? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 11, 2013 Share #31 Posted September 11, 2013 And blackout times have nothing to do with memory cards. Remove your card and you'll get the same. The point is that we seem to get the same variation in reports by users. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 11, 2013 Share #32 Posted September 11, 2013 As I said, a RF camera with an auxiliary EVF... Here is the good news, for me anyway and I expect for just about everyone else. Took the EVF off the camera and shot the morning with the RF and used classic mode... Battery life is back to the superb all day shooting on one battery (Iwas going through 3 batteries with the EVF. I can shoot and bring the camera down and review on the LCD faster than I can shoot having to wait for a couple of seconds for the EVF to clear the blackout. I don't have to turn the camera off and on or remove the battery at all. I was probably removing the base plate 50 times a day with the EVF. Lots of bugs to work out with LV hang-ups and LV dimming after sleep (this requires some combination of battery removal and turning the camera off and on). RF shooting is pure bliss! I love the M again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyper67 Posted September 12, 2013 Share #33 Posted September 12, 2013 I just tested an M240 at my dealer (for a second time) and apart from a few glitches were we had to reformat the menu system after the camera got stuck I was stunned that LV and EVF are as they are....I'm really reconsidering again!...I liked the idea of shooting with both...but both are really useless features with a black out time of so long...truly I like Leica, its the only camera I have ever used for my work....never touched anything else but really I'm in the midst of some very serious decisions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manolo Laguillo Posted September 12, 2013 Share #34 Posted September 12, 2013 In my way of using it, I like having the EVF, and don't care about the black-out lag. The EVF is a must when I want a very precise framing till the borders and a totally controlled image geometry, for instance when a rectangular façade has to be perfectly rectangular in the picture. BTW, I prefer the telemetric focusing. When working slowly and deliberately, the black-out is negligible. With a view camera, the black-out is considerably longer . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 12, 2013 Share #35 Posted September 12, 2013 I just tested an M240 at my dealer (for a second time) and apart from a few glitches were we had to reformat the menu system after the camera got stuck I was stunned that LV and EVF are as they are....I'm really reconsidering again!...I liked the idea of shooting with both...but both are really useless features with a black out time of so long...truly I like Leica, its the only camera I have ever used for my work....never touched anything else but really I'm in the midst of some very serious decisions. I fully agree that the blackout is annoying, but I am intrigued about kind of photographic work you do that renders the camera useless by the phenomena. After all, it happens after taking the shot. What were you planning to do in those 1.5-2 seconds? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 13, 2013 Share #36 Posted September 13, 2013 ...After all, it happens after taking the shot. What were you planning to do in those 1.5-2 seconds? You mean those 4+ seconds i guess. Taking another picture just in case? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgacpa Posted September 13, 2013 Share #37 Posted September 13, 2013 Just curious. If you turn off image review (setup->auto review->off), is there still a lag? Thanks, Bob Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted September 13, 2013 Share #38 Posted September 13, 2013 Yes there is, Bob. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgacpa Posted September 13, 2013 Share #39 Posted September 13, 2013 Thank you Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 13, 2013 Share #40 Posted September 13, 2013 You mean those 4+ seconds i guess. Taking another picture just in case? As you know, I don't know what is wrong with your camera 1.5 by the stopwatch an about two reported by others. The 4+you are getting is wholly out of spec. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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