algrove Posted December 19, 2013 Share #301 Posted December 19, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Wilson I love having all my lenses 6 bit coded and never thought about getting my 40/2.0 done. What code is recommended for that lens, please? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jcraf Posted December 19, 2013 Share #302 Posted December 19, 2013 John, Does that mean the 110111 code is picking up properly? Wilson Wilson Well yes, but initially no. I then put some black Sharpie on the 5 black pits (read that somewhere).....and the M now seems to pick up the adapter ("R to M Adapter" shows in Info) now, and when set to "Lens detection : manual" I can go into the R lens menu. However there is a tiny amount of play in the male (M) end of the adapter so it can be wiggled on the M's mount, which can result in the lens then becoming 'uncoded'. So not entirely satisfactory, really. But at least I have an R to M adapter of sorts! This would appear to accord with other owners finding the adapter does not code. We'll see how it goes..... Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 19, 2013 Share #303 Posted December 19, 2013 Wilson I love having all my lenses 6 bit coded and never thought about getting my 40/2.0 done. What code is recommended for that lens, please? Thanks. Lou, It is a matter of personal preference. The two alternatives are the 35 Version IV Summicron 011110 but you have to have the framelines tab altered to 35mm. Two is a 50mm Version III Summicron, 010111, which is what I have opted for. I prefer estimating outside the 50mm framelines rather than inside the 35mm and I don’t want to hack my framelines tab about. Wilson PS Malcolm says I will be very pleasantly surprised how improved my Summicron-C 40mm will be after all the crud cleaned off all the elements and all set up optimally on the optical bench. In particular the veiling glare should be a lot better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 19, 2013 Share #304 Posted December 19, 2013 Wilson Well yes, but initially no. I then put some black Sharpie on the 5 black pits (read that somewhere).....and the M now seems to pick up the adapter ("R to M Adapter" shows in Info) now, and when set to "Lens detection : manual" I can go into the R lens menu. However there is a tiny amount of play in the male (M) end of the adapter so it can be wiggled on the M's mount, which can result in the lens then becoming 'uncoded'. So not entirely satisfactory, really. But at least I have an R to M adapter of sorts! This would appear to accord with other owners finding the adapter does not code. We'll see how it goes..... Regards John, Thanks for that advice. Maybe I will wait for the Leica one after all. I will just check with my actuary how long my life expectancy is. I know that Ffordes have been kicking off with Leica UK over this, as they have copied me in on some of the correspondence. Leica Mayfair handing them out to all and sundry and the other dealers getting very few indeed, does not put the dealers in a good mood. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meadowspos Posted December 20, 2013 Share #305 Posted December 20, 2013 John, Thanks for that advice. Maybe I will wait for the Leica one after all. I will just check with my actuary how long my life expectancy is. I know that Ffordes have been kicking off with Leica UK over this, as they have copied me in on some of the correspondence. Leica Mayfair handing them out to all and sundry and the other dealers getting very few indeed, does not put the dealers in a good mood. Wilson I agree with Wilsons quote….. In view of my supposed position on Leica Mayfair’s supply list [see comments below] I thought that I would add a few thoughts on the failure to supply the M to R adapter. I ordered my Leica M in late September 2012 and was enthusiastically looking forward to using a long telephoto on the Leica M. Like everyone else it proved to be a very long wait for the new camera. In early May 2013 users on this forum identified a supplier with one in stock and I was able to purchase a new Black M. After charging the battery I added a Voigtlander M/R adapter and an 80-200 mm zoom lens only to find that this adapter does not work – all you get is a black screen – with a “no lens attached” message. Rather than mess about, I ordered a Leica M/R adapter from Leica Mayfair, but with the expectation that there would be a delay in supply. Like most other users I was happy to get the message that these and other accessories would become available in early August 2013. Again nothing happened and there was nil communication about the supply from either Leica or Leica Mayfair. Towards the end of September 2013 I rang Mayfair to get some information and they confirmed that they were hoping that supplies would be available in weeks and that I would be contacted. I even added a short message to this forum that this was my latest information. Again nothing happened and on 21st November 2013 I sent an e-mail to Leica Mayfair asking what was happening to my order. After delays in responding, on 25th November 2013 they e-mailed and confirmed the following – You’re correct, some R adapters have started arriving in the UK and we have been allocating them on a first-come-first-serve basis through our waiting list. I’m pleased to let you know that the next R adapter that comes into store is due to be allocated to you. When it arrives, we will call or email you and try and find a way of getting it into your hands. Please let us know if we can be of any more help. Regards, Elliott We had further correspondence on how to pay for this item and as they will not accept credit cards [come on Leica join the 21st Century], a customer account has been created into which I have to pay before they will send the item if it ever becomes available. This is not a real problem if the adapter ever materializes. I should add that in view of the delays I have told them I will only pay when they confirm they can supply the item. A few days after this, I saw a comment on the forum that a user had collected their adapter from Leica Mayfair and was happy with their purchase. On 6th December I contacted Elliot and asked why another customer had their adapter when the next one was supposed to be mine. His reply was that an adapter had been supplied in the shop, but that this customer had been informed that their adapter was available but he had not arranged to collected it for several weeks. Elliot confirmed again that I am next. I had a long and forthright discussion about Leica and this item, I suggested that on this item that Leica had “lost the plot” and that maybe they should concentrate on supplying products instead of opening shops to sell Pany-Leicas in places many people would never have heard of! I wish Leica every success in its sales campaigns, but Leica partly sold the M on the basis that it was the R solution and based on the non-supply of this item, they cannot continue to sustain this sales message. I asked Elliot if there was any prospect of a delivery before Christmas but got the standard reply that they hoped so but the factory never tells them when products are due. Today is the 20th December 2013 and there is no sign of anything happening. I expect along with many German companies that Leica is winding down or closing now for Christmas – so I expect nothing this year. Maybe we will see a number of these adapters available as special editions [possibly in different finishes] on the first anniversary of the availability of the Leica M on 28th February 2014. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 20, 2013 Share #306 Posted December 20, 2013 A nasty story, but why did you not get the excellent - and much cheaper- Novoflex adapter? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meadowspos Posted December 20, 2013 Share #307 Posted December 20, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) A nasty story, but why did you not get the excellent - and much cheaper- Novoflex adapter? Thank you for your reply. I think that the answer re Novo-flex is that I want a tripod bush for the use of telephoto lenses and this adapter does not provide this facility. I have the voigtlander adapter but it does not work - I have also the Fotodiox adapter, which enables me to attach an R lens, but it does not have 6 bit coding so I cannot make the menu's appear. In use I have found that this Fotodiox adapter does not have a really tight fit and in addition I have also miss-focused occasionally. Given these issues, the money already spent, and that they are all suboptimal solutions, I decided that it was perhaps better to wait for the Leica adapter which has been consistently promised for months. Given that Leica have always been a law unto themselves, a wait was always expected, but I do think they are straining people's patience by making no seeming effort at any kind of real communication on supply. Even if I had brought the Novo-flex adapter I would have probably gotten the Leica one in the end. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 20, 2013 Share #308 Posted December 20, 2013 A nasty story, but why did you not get the excellent - and much cheaper- Novoflex adapter? Jaap, Have a look at John Cartright’s (jcraf) comments on the quality of the Novoflex adapter a few posts above. Not too encouraging about it. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 20, 2013 Share #309 Posted December 20, 2013 I use one and it works perfectly - tight and precise. I also use an old (modified for newer R lenses) Leicina adapter and that is without any problem as well. I would never pay the premium for the Leica one - the lenses I use have their own tripod mounts and one on the adapter would be unbalanced anyway. I suspect Novoflex took a good look at the M (and Leica's supply situation ) and upgraded their existing mount, adding coding facilities at the same time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 20, 2013 Share #310 Posted December 20, 2013 Jaap, John is not alone in commenting about the quality of recent Novoflex LEM/LER adapters. A number of others have had problems getting the code working and with less than ideally tight M bayonets, allowing radial movement (maybe too wide a locking slot). Mind you as I have posted on another thread Leica QC is still nothing to write home about. My brand new Noctilux’s RF focus is incorrectly adjusted and does not coincide by some significant margin with the focus peaking and LV focus. Only the new Nocti is a problem, so it is not the camera, which I have checked as being correct with various other lenses. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted December 20, 2013 Share #311 Posted December 20, 2013 I also use an old (modified for newer R lenses) Leicina adapter ... Modified for newer R lenses? In which way exactly does it need to be modified? Is it something you can do at home? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 20, 2013 Share #312 Posted December 20, 2013 Well, to be honest, I took one look at the coding solution and had Will van Manen code it. The fit on my M is excellent, no play at all. Tolerances? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 20, 2013 Share #313 Posted December 20, 2013 Modified for newer R lenses? In which way exactly does it need to be modified? Is it something you can do at home? The Leicina adapter in its original form will only take SL lenses, newer R lenses will not mount. One obstruction must be removed and the flange must be machined to take all types of R lenses. I have been told Leica changed the mechanical specification three times in the whole Leicaflex/R period. Quite apart from the different cam configurations. I had mine done by Will van Manen. One week and a modest price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted December 20, 2013 Share #314 Posted December 20, 2013 I cannot get my coded Novoflex to work on my latest M although it worked on an earlier M I had. It is coded with white paint over the #3 position. So I called my dealer who sold me the coded Novoflex to see if they would exchange it for the later drilled coded adapters and Novoflex refused. After this incident I vowed to boycott Novoflex whenever I could and as such I ordered a slot coded one (use like Leica would do) from China for $50 and it works. Mounting this adapter is very tight, much tighter than the Novoflex to mount, but works as it should. In fact now I feel the Novoflex is over priced for an adapter that sells for about $20-30 less than the Leica one (that almost nobody can yet) get plus the Novoflex adapter has no tripod mount. Latest-- Santa has bestowed on me the privilege of receiving a Leica R-M adapter the day before Christmas in the USA. Thanks Santa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted December 20, 2013 Share #315 Posted December 20, 2013 It doesn't really matter that there's a Novoflex adapter available and I do use theirs for mounting Nikon and M42 lenses. The issue is that Leica announced their own adapter in September 2012 and now, 15 months later, it is still not readily available. None of us can understand why Leica have taken so long with this adapter and why, given its fundamental simplicity, it has not been possible to increase production to meet actual rather than their hopelessly mis-forecasted demand. It all smacks of incompetence, arrogance and a return to the bad old days which lead to Leica being as close to bankrupt as makes no odds. What's needed is some real competition from the likes of Sony or Zeiss which might just shake Leica from their lethargy. Increasingly, I do wonder whether they deserve our business at all. In nine months, we have Photokina where doubtless we will be subjected to Leica marketing speak about a raft of new products and, unless they are going to change their spots, I expect in two years time we'll still be waiting for those new products. Come on Leica, how about a New Year's resolution for 2014 to only announce products when they are fully developed and ready to go? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ModernMan Posted December 20, 2013 Share #316 Posted December 20, 2013 ... I ordered a Leica M/R adapter from Leica Mayfair ... We had further correspondence on how to pay for this item and as they will not accept credit cards [come on Leica join the 21st Century], a customer account has been created into which I have to pay before they will send the item if it ever becomes available. OT but, is it really the case that Leica Mayfair don't accept credit cards?? Surely you're joking. WTF? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted December 20, 2013 Share #317 Posted December 20, 2013 You’re correct, some R adapters have started arriving in the UK and we have been allocating them on a first-come-first-serve basis through our waiting list.[/font][/i] I’m pleased to let you know that the next R adapter that comes into store is due to be allocated to you. When it arrives, we will call or email you and try and find a way of getting it into your hands. This is typical Leica Mayfair behaviour They appear to completely ignore the so-called 'waiting list' and give anything to anyone who just happens to be there with the cash when the item is in the shop. I know .... because I have been on both sides of this on several occasions. I was one of the first on their waiting list for an M from the initial announcement and have yet to receive my phone call or email...... Having been caught out before when I mysteriously vanished from the 'list' I had one on order from Clifton Cameras and received one at the beginning of March ...... Order from somewhere more reliable in future..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted December 20, 2013 Share #318 Posted December 20, 2013 Jaap, John is not alone in commenting about the quality of recent Novoflex LEM/LER adapters. A number of others have had problems getting the code working and with less than ideally tight M bayonets, allowing radial movement (maybe too wide a locking slot). Wilson It's the same problem as some of us with 75/2 and Noctilux ..... the lens is not toggling the frame selector actuator properly. It's not a coding issue but to do with the varaible bit of the flange that actuates this .... My Novoflex adaptor exhibits identical behavior as the lenses. It works .... but it needs careful rotating home and alignment..... As it's not an M9 or M8 issue it must be a change in the mechanism on the M flange and positioning of the actuator switches on the circuit board. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 20, 2013 Share #319 Posted December 20, 2013 OT but, is it really the case that Leica Mayfair don't accept credit cards?? Surely you're joking. WTF? Many camera shops in the USA don’t accept non-USA cards. Not even AMEX… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcraf Posted December 20, 2013 Share #320 Posted December 20, 2013 OT but, is it really the case that Leica Mayfair don't accept credit cards?? Surely you're joking. WTF? Well, that'll cure my impulse buying. Other London Leica dealers, please note!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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