philipus Posted August 22, 2013 Share #1 Posted August 22, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Which hood was the 50 Summicron (II) sold with - the ITDOO or the (vented) 12585? Many thanks Philip Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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doubice Posted August 22, 2013 Share #2 Posted August 22, 2013 It would have been sold with either ITDOO, IROOA or 12585, depending on when the lens was sold. Version II Summicron 50 was available from1956 till 1968, the 12585 was introduced in 1963. Dates are of course approximate so, depending on the age of the lens, any of the three hoods would qualify. Cheers, Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted August 22, 2013 Author Share #3 Posted August 22, 2013 Dear Jan, thank you very much for the reply. I should have specified the year - I'm thinking of a 1970 Summicron to match my M4 of the same year. So I could then quite safely look for a 12585. Cheers Philip Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubice Posted August 22, 2013 Share #4 Posted August 22, 2013 Yes, Philip - 12585 will be the correct hood. Built like a tank - I still use them on my 35mm Summicron Ver. IV and 50mm Summicron Ver.III. Best, Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted August 22, 2013 Share #5 Posted August 22, 2013 Yes - 12585. For a 1970 lens it should be the third (optical) version. I bought mine with the 12585 in 1969 as it was the first in the new black aluminum body. Mine is actually from a 1968 production run. It and the hood have been great on my M4, 6, and 9. Seems a bit small on the M5 though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubice Posted August 22, 2013 Share #6 Posted August 22, 2013 Yes - 12585. For a 1970 lens it should be the third (optical) version...... Yes, I also think that a 1970 lens would have the black-anodized aluminium mount with the third optical computation, thus Version III and not II. Maybe Philip can clarify however, the 12585 hood is perfect for both versions. Word of caution - there used to be a hood very similar in design to the 12585, supplied with or for the Version IV Summicron. I believe the code was 12538, it was made from plastic and it does not have the solid feel of the earlier 12585. Stay away from it. Cheers, Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted August 22, 2013 Author Share #7 Posted August 22, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thank you for the further info, esp. re the not so great similar hood. This is the lens I am considering. The one I have seen at a dealer has a serial number that puts it in the 1970 batch. The Wiki calls it version II, that's why I wrote that but perhaps it is actually and optically version III? http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/Summicron_(II)_f%3D_5_cm_1:2 I like the fact that it doesn't have a focus tab. I have the 50 and 35 Asph Summiluxes and while they're wonderful lenses I've noticed when using them that my fingers automatically "look for" the actual focusing rings, not the tabs. I don't mind the tabs, but the fact that the 1970 Summicron has a wide focusing ring without tab will be a nice change, I think. Cheers Philip Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubice Posted August 22, 2013 Share #8 Posted August 22, 2013 Philip, The lens pictured in your link is a Version III. The specifications also state that it was available as a Dual Range lens - that is incorrect, only version II came in the DR mount. Unfortunately, not everything on the web can be taken as gospel...... Cheers, Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted August 22, 2013 Share #9 Posted August 22, 2013 Hello Philip, There is a lot to be said for what Jan said in the Post just above. Because you appreciate the ins & outs of Leicadom you might be interested to know that your 6 element version was first produced in a mount very similar to the preceding Rigid Version. It is minus the Infinity locking tab but retains the knurls & dimples. The base of the focussing mount even has a slope to its sides like the previous Rigid. Enjoy your new lens. I'm glad you survived your recent fall even if your equipment didn't do quite as well as you. Best Regards, Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted September 9, 2013 Share #10 Posted September 9, 2013 Hello Everybody, CORRECTION: In my Post #9, just above, I wrote that the bases of the Early 6 Element Replacements of the 7 Element Rigid 50mm Summicrons were angled like the 7's. THEY WERE NOT. The bases were straight sided like the later 6's. The Early 6 Element production Black 50mm Summicrons DID have alternating knurls & dimples on the focussing ring. But NOT the angled bases OR the infinity locks. The later versions of this 6 Element Lens were knurled without dimples with straight sided bases & no infinity locks. Best Regards, Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted September 10, 2013 Share #11 Posted September 10, 2013 I have the 1973 version of this lens- a strange variant with a modified focusing lever possibly a prototype for an M5 Safari- and it is one of my favorites- sharp as a tack. Mine is fitted with the vented 12585 hood- very nice combo- the hood can be reversed for storage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted September 11, 2013 Share #12 Posted September 11, 2013 Hello jaques, Do you have a photo of your lens? Especially 1 showing the focussing lever. What is an M5 Safari? Do you have a photo or something written by Leitz or someone else about this variant of the M5? The only factory versions of the M5 that I have seen have been bright chrome, black chrome & gold. There were a number of alternatives to vulcanite. Altho not as many as there were for the later M6. Best Regards, Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted September 11, 2013 Share #13 Posted September 11, 2013 What is an M5 Safari? Do you have a photo or something written by Leitz or someone else about this variant of the M5? .... Michael A Safari M5 was sold in Italy years ago and appeared in an Italian Magazine (Classic Camera).I could find it at home... but I seem to remember that it was quoted/displayed in the Forum some years ago.... searching with patience I'd bet can be found... It had, indeed, a strange Summicron with a long "stick type" focusing lever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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